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Thread: DIY Ancient Scaled Calc for Italians and Western Jews

  1. #91
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    Target: Andreas_scaled
    Distance: 1.4188% / 0.01418774
    59.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    40.2 Levantine
    0.8 Egyptian

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    the title of this says ancient, but it uses medieval samples. I only mention this because it seems the older the samples the larger the distances I get, while newer populations decrease my distances.

    here is this model's

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1035% / 0.02103542
    67.8 Medieval_Germanic
    12.2 Italic
    8.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    6.8 Early_Iberian
    4.4 Medieval_Slav
    0.8 Berber

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1106% / 0.02110622 | R4P
    68.6 Medieval_Germanic
    14.6 Early_Iberian
    12.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    4.2 Medieval_Slav



    and here is a model with truly old samples.

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 4.2495% / 0.04249473
    51.6 IndoEuropeanSteppePastoralist:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I 0443
    39.4 AnatolianNeolithic:HRV_Cardial_N
    9.0 WestEuropeanMesolithic:ITA_Grotta_Continenza_Meso

    why would there be such a large discrepancy in the distances? I am not well read on this sort of thing but my guess is the lack of varied ancient samples is just too generic so I get a larger distance than other people using the same model, while using a medieval model I get a closer distance than the same other people.
    Last edited by JerryS.; 01-20-2021 at 03:07 PM.

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    Target: Alejandro_scaled
    Distance: 2.2505% / 0.02250477 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.8 Early_Iberian
    22.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    14.4 Medieval_Slav
    10.2 Berber
    8.0 Levantine
    5.8 Medieval_Germanic

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    Only 10% early iberian

    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 2.5741% / 0.02574111
    49.4 Italic
    23.8 Medieval_Germanic
    13.4 Berber
    10.6 Early_Iberian
    2.0 Egyptian
    0.8 East-African
    [1] "distance%=1.4173"

    Luso

    NW_Iberia_IA,77
    Roman_Colonial,12
    ITA_Sardinia_C_o,7.6
    Berber_EMA,3.4

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  8. #95
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    Andalucia Spain Star of David Israel Jerusalem
    Distance: 1.7971% / 0.01797106
    59.2 Early_Iberian
    20.8 Medieval_Germanic
    10.2 Levantine
    6.0 Berber
    3.8 Egyptian
    23andMe: 99.4% Spanish & Portuguese, 0.3% Ashkenazi Jewish, 0.3% Trace Ancestry (0.3% Nigerian)

    My Heritage: 91.5% Iberian, 3.6% Ashkenazi Jewish, 2.7% Middle East, 2.2% Irish, Sccotish and Welsh

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  10. #96
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    Personalized runs without Iberian and added Levšnluhta Iron age sample:

    Papertrail:

    Nino:
    50% Swedish
    37.5% North Tuscan
    12.5% Saami(Lappland Sweden)
    Father:
    75% North Tuscan
    25% Saami(Lappland Sweden)
    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.1468% / 0.03146766
    39.4 Medieval_Germanic
    39.0 Italic
    11.2 Iron_Age_Saami
    10.2 Medieval_Slav
    0.2 Berber
    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.1474% / 0.03147410 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    39.4 Italic
    39.0 Medieval_Germanic
    11.4 Iron_Age_Saami
    10.2 Medieval_Slav
    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.2450% / 0.03245027 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    51.4 Medieval_Germanic
    36.2 Italic
    12.4 Iron_Age_Saami
    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 4.0131% / 0.04013133 | ADC: 1x RC
    69.6 Medieval_Germanic
    30.4 Italic
    No Greek/Hellenic admixture?


    Lets try run my fathers:

    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 2.2510% / 0.02250965
    46.8 Italic
    19.0 Medieval_Germanic
    15.8 Iron_Age_Saami
    9.2 Levantine
    8.8 Medieval_Slav
    0.4 Berber
    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 2.2530% / 0.02252962 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    46.6 Italic
    19.2 Medieval_Germanic
    15.8 Iron_Age_Saami
    9.6 Levantine
    8.8 Medieval_Slav
    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 2.6426% / 0.02642555 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    60.2 Italic
    21.6 Medieval_Germanic
    18.2 Iron_Age_Saami
    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 4.3462% / 0.04346171 | ADC: 1x RC
    52.0 Italic
    48.0 Medieval_Germanic

    Reduce populations:

    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 3.1918% / 0.03191802 | R2P
    75.8 Italic
    24.2 Iron_Age_Saami
    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 2.6426% / 0.02642555 | R3P
    60.2 Italic
    21.6 Medieval_Germanic
    18.2 Iron_Age_Saami
    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 2.3569% / 0.02356897 | R4P
    44.6 Italic
    29.4 Medieval_Germanic
    16.8 Iron_Age_Saami
    9.2 Levantine

    And the results from the original calculator, Iberian is prefered over Italic and some Levantine + Hellenic is showing up.
    Due to lack of Uralic component, Silk_Road_Chinese is also choosen:

    Target: Father_scaled
    Distance: 2.7974% / 0.02797383
    33.0 Medieval_Germanic
    29.0 Early_Iberian
    14.8 Medieval_Slav
    13.8 Levantine
    6.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean

    3.4 Silk_Road_Chinese
    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.3512% / 0.03351163
    49.8 Medieval_Germanic
    27.8 Early_Iberian
    14.0 Medieval_Slav
    6.2 Levantine
    2.2 Silk_Road_Chinese
    Hidden Content

    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.1640% / 0.03163963 | R3P
    64.4 __Germanic
    26.4 __IllyricRoman
    9.2 __Finnic

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    Distance: 1.8420% / 0.01842038
    53.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    16.2 Italic
    15.6 Egyptian
    10.2 Medieval_Slav
    3.2 Berber
    1.6 Silk_Road_Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Personalized runs without Iberian and added Levšnluhta Iron age sample:

    Papertrail:













    No Greek/Hellenic admixture?


    Lets try run my fathers:









    Reduce populations:








    And the results from the original calculator, Iberian is prefered over Italic and some Levantine + Hellenic is showing up.
    Due to lack of Uralic component, Silk_Road_Chinese is also choosen:

    I didn't think about removing the early Iberian because I figured it was also a part of most West European and B.I.

    with early Iberian


    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1035% / 0.02103542
    67.8 Medieval_Germanic
    12.2 Italic
    8.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    6.8 Early_Iberian
    4.4 Medieval_Slav
    0.8 Berber

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1106% / 0.02110622 | R4P
    68.6 Medieval_Germanic
    14.6 Early_Iberian
    12.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    4.2 Medieval_Slav


    without early Iberian


    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1098% / 0.02109816
    67.6 Medieval_Germanic
    22.0 Italic
    4.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    4.4 Medieval_Slav
    1.2 Berber

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1098% / 0.02109816 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    67.6 Medieval_Germanic
    22.0 Italic
    4.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    4.4 Medieval_Slav
    1.2 Berber

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1278% / 0.02127812 | R4P
    67.0 Medieval_Germanic
    22.4 Italic
    6.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    4.6 Medieval_Slav


    no real difference for my data

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  16. #99
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    Cleaning up a bit the reference populations to avoid some overfitting I think that it works decenty for Italians (I think that some overfitting happens when using the whole panel including levantines, egyptians and hellenic eating-up each other a bit, similar situation for early iberian and italic and for slav/baltic and germanic/scandinavian).
    With only Berber, Hellenic, Italic, German in the panel
    Seabass1.png
    Panel without Egyptian and ADC 0.25x
    Seabass3.png
    Total Panel no ADC
    Seabass2.png

    Distances from total panel (up to 10%):

    Distance to: Italian:NEast
    0.02954192 Italic
    0.06241467 Early_Iberian
    0.09102654 Medieval_Germanic
    0.09123697 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean

    Distance to: Italian:NWest
    0.02966045 Italic
    0.06541630 Early_Iberian
    0.08393993 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.09599820 Medieval_Germanic

    Distance to: Italian:Center
    0.04666712 Italic
    0.05177360 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.08793249 Early_Iberian

    Distance to: NorthernAdriatic_scaled
    0.05460599 Italic
    0.06173100 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.09253238 Early_Iberian

    Distance to: South_Italian:Mainland
    0.02667423 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.07167083 Italic
    0.08356198 Levantine

    Distance to: South_Italain:Sicilian
    0.03745046 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.06682813 Italic
    0.08871396 Levantine
    Last edited by Northern Adriatic; 05-04-2021 at 10:38 AM.
    Deep Ancestry: 63.2% AUT_LBK_N + 36.8% RUS_Vonyuchka_En @ 2.6339%
    Ancient: 89.0% ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity + 11.0% HUN_Avar_Szolad @ 2.4649%

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    So so fit

    Target: Hazmatnik_scaled
    Distance: 3.4310% / 0.03431028
    42.4 Medieval_Slav
    39.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    18.4 Italic

    Distance to: Hazmatnik_scaled
    0.07496249 Italic
    0.09035524 Medieval_Germanic
    0.09793665 Early_Iberian
    0.11319951 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.12154805 Medieval_Slav
    0.16413884 Levantine
    0.19296056 Egyptian
    0.26552235 Berber
    0.61328827 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.66812632 East-African
    0.76801518 SSA

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