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Thread: DIY Ancient Scaled Calc for Italians and Western Jews

  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    What did you use for early Iberian? I'm getting very low for it as a Portuguese

    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 2.5741% / 0.02574056
    49.2 Italic
    24.8 Medieval_Germanic
    14.0 Berber
    10.2 Early_Iberian
    1.8 Egyptian
    I used

    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1310
    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1313_d
    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I1836
    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4559
    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4560
    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4561
    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4562
    Iberia_Northeast_BA:I4563
    Iberia_North_BA:VAD001
    Iberia_North_BA:VAD004
    Iberia_North_BA:VAD005
    Iberia_North_BA:I2471
    Iberia_Menorca_LBA:I3315
    Iberia_North_IA:I3758
    Iberia_North_IA:I3759
    Iberia_East_IA:I12410
    Iberia_East_IA:I12879
    Iberia_East_IA:I3320
    Iberia_East_IA:I3321
    Iberia_East_IA:I3322
    Iberia_East_IA:I3323
    Iberia_East_IA:I3324
    Iberia_East_IA:I3327

    For Italic

    Bell_Beaker_ITA:I1979
    Bell_Beaker_ITA:I2478
    ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473
    ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b
    ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016
    ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851
    ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021
    ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR109
    ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR110

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Me and Sibling

    Target: Me_scaled
    Distance: 1.1997% / 0.01199708
    58.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    20.8 Levantine
    7.4 Early_Iberian
    4.0 Berber
    3.4 Medieval_Slav
    3.0 Medieval_Germanic
    2.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: S_scaled
    Distance: 2.2790% / 0.02278960
    50.8 Levantine
    18.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    18.2 Medieval_Germanic
    9.2 Early_Iberian
    2.2 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.6 Berber
    0.2 Medieval_Slav
    0.2 SSA

    How common is the Early Iberian for other Jewish samples?
    Not uncommon at all, my mum scores some as do many. I labelled some a little differently in this thread. The below table represents the average of Jewish samples NOT the averaged Jewish samples. IMO the results are more meaningful that way.

    Western Jews 10.07.2020.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabass View Post
    Not uncommon at all, my mum scores some as do many. I labelled some a little differently in this thread. The below table represents the average of Jewish samples NOT the averaged Jewish samples. IMO the results are more meaningful that way.

    Western Jews 10.07.2020.jpg
    edit- misread*
    הִנְנִי֩ מֵבִ֨יא אוֹתָ֜ם מֵאֶ֣רֶץ צָפ֗וֹן

    Jeremiah 31

    Other potential and/or likely recent lineages: J-L816, J-PF5456, E-FGC56023

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    Distance to: Agamemnon_Father
    0.03950116 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.07703662 Italic
    0.08575528 Levantine
    0.11669959 Early_Iberian
    0.12355246 Egyptian
    0.14376622 Medieval_Germanic
    0.19500839 Medieval_Slav
    0.22457543 Berber
    0.60091305 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.64995055 East-African
    0.75275061 SSA


    Code:
    Target: Agamemnon_Father
    Distance: 1.9455% / 0.01945535
    43.8	Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    23.4	Levantine
    13.8	Italic
    8.8	Medieval_Germanic
    6.6	Medieval_Slav
    2.2	Berber
    1.4	Silk_Road_Chinese
    
    
    Target: Agamemnon_Father
    Distance: 2.1267% / 0.02126712 | ADC: 0.25x
    76.6	Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    6.8	Medieval_Slav
    6.4	Italic
    4.8	Medieval_Germanic
    2.4	Berber
    2.0	Egyptian
    1.0	Silk_Road_Chinese
    
    
    Target: Agamemnon_Father
    Distance: 2.7099% / 0.02709913 | ADC: 0.5x
    84.6	Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    7.2	Italic
    4.4	Medieval_Slav
    3.8	Medieval_Germanic
     
    Distance to: Agamemnon
    0.05440002 Italic
    0.08215081 Early_Iberian
    0.08216127 Medieval_Germanic
    0.09431452 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.14009725 Medieval_Slav
    0.14568788 Levantine
    0.17659178 Egyptian
    0.25037416 Berber
    0.61104360 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.66118462 East-African
    0.76202770 SSA


    Code:
    Target: Agamemnon
    Distance: 1.8349% / 0.01834898
    38.0	Medieval_Germanic
    21.2	Italic
    16.4	Levantine
    14.6	Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    8.8	Medieval_Slav
    1.0	Berber
    
    
    Target: Agamemnon
    Distance: 1.9565% / 0.01956459 | ADC: 0.25x
    39.2	Medieval_Germanic
    25.2	Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    23.0	Italic
    7.2	Levantine
    5.2	Medieval_Slav
    0.2	Berber

    Distance to: Agamemnon_Mother
    0.03529183 Medieval_Germanic
    0.08497564 Italic
    0.08654870 Early_Iberian
    0.10888888 Medieval_Slav
    0.15321031 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.20631064 Levantine
    0.23141898 Egyptian
    0.28644852 Berber
    0.62369979 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.67580266 East-African
    0.77500100 SSA


    Code:
    Target: Agamemnon_Mother
    Distance: 2.3085% / 0.02308506
    75.2	Medieval_Germanic
    21.6	Italic
    3.2	Early_Iberian
    Last edited by Agamemnon; 09-16-2020 at 05:11 PM.
    מכורותיך ומולדותיך מארץ הכנעני אביך האמורי ואמך חתית
    יחזקאל פרק טז ג-


    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Distance to: DewslothMom_scaled
    0.02775557 Levantine
    0.05045902 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.08517260 Egyptian
    0.13947369 Italic
    0.17741492 Early_Iberian
    0.20644777 Medieval_Germanic
    0.22208671 Berber

     

    Distance to: DewslothDad_scaled
    0.05459701 Medieval_Germanic
    0.05766859 Italic
    0.06770781 Early_Iberian
    0.12077186 Medieval_Slav
    0.12338479 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean

    Distance to: Dewsloth_scaled
    0.04819481 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.07145112 Italic
    0.09721551 Levantine
    0.10971135 Early_Iberian
    0.12747712 Medieval_Germanic


    Target: DewslothMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.9423% / 0.01942286
    71.4 Levantine
    27.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    1.2 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.2 Medieval_Germanic
     

    Target: DewslothDad_scaled
    Distance: 1.0054% / 0.01005395
    48.8 Medieval_Germanic
    18.4 Early_Iberian
    15.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    11.2 Italic
    5.0 Medieval_Slav
    1.2 Levantine
    0.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: Dewsloth_scaled
    Distance: 1.2981% / 0.01298120
    35.4 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    33.8 Medieval_Germanic
    29.8 Levantine
    0.6 Italic
    0.4 Silk_Road_Chinese



    EDIT: So Egyptian doesn't show for any of us (other than Mom's similarity/distance).
    Now I have my uncle's data (Mom's brother - he seems to get less of our Armenian minor ancestry and more Levant/vestigial Crusader[?])

    Target: Dewsloth_Uncle_scaled
    Distance: 2.0654% / 0.02065397
    76.4 Levantine
    20.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    2.0 Medieval_Germanic
    0.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Distance to: Dewsloth_Uncle_scaled
    0.02771283 Levantine
    0.05138994 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    0.08163312 Egyptian
    0.13901287 Italic
    0.17696045 Early_Iberian
    0.20620470 Medieval_Germanic
    0.22090582 Berber
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    As I mentioned in another thread, I have the G25 data for my grandmother who is the following mix :
    50% Catholic French
    25% Judaeo-Provenšal
    This is a Jewish community that stayed exclusively in the Papal enclave around Avignon between the 14th and 18th century, surnames indicate that they derive from the medieval communities of Provence and coastal Languedoc as well as some elements of post-1431 Sephardic diaspora. They spoke Shuadit. Some extensive genealogical work has been done on the community and it looks like no unmixed individuals are left.
    18.75% Yeke (Alsace, Lorraine, Saarland and Netherlands)
    6.25% Litvak (Northern Lithuania)

    I tried to create the G25 coordinates of her gentile father (his genealogy is known and can be recreated using individuals from the French sample with satisfying accuracy, although we can never be 100% sure of course). This helped me create putative coordinates for her Jewish mother.

    Here are my grandmother's results :
    Target: Grandmother
    Distance: 1.6851% / 0.01685130
    35.8 Medieval_Germanic
    34.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    18.8 Italic
    11.0 Egyptian
    0.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

    And here is the ghost of my great-grandmother
    Target: GGM ghost
    Distance: 2.8074% / 0.02807383
    63.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    22.2 Egyptian
    13.6 Medieval_Germanic
    0.4 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Interesting how all the Italic was accounted for by the gentile side, I would have expected the Jewish side to include Italic too.

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    Here are my results:

    Target: Rober_tce_scaled
    Distance: 1.7996% / 0.01799647
    59.2 Early_Iberian
    20.6 Medieval_Germanic
    11.2 Levantine
    6.2 Berber
    2.8 Egyptian
    Last edited by rober_tce; 09-16-2020 at 11:59 PM.
    23andMe: 80.5% Spanish & Portuguese, 5.5% Italian, 10.1% Broadly Southern European, 0.9% British & Irish, 0.5% Broadly Northwestern European, 0.4% Ashkenazi Jewish, 0.6% Broadly European, 0.7% Broadly Western Asian & North African, 0.4% Trace Ancestry (0.3% Angolan & Congolese, 0.1% Broadly East Asian & Native American)

    My Heritage: 91.5% Iberian, 3.6% Ashkenazi Jewish, 2.7% Middle East, 2.2% Irish, Sccotish and Welsh

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    comparing g25 raw data results.....

    Ancestry*

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.1035% / 0.02103478
    67.8 Medieval_Germanic
    11.6 Italic
    8.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    7.2 Early_Iberian
    4.4 Medieval_Slav
    0.8 Berber


    23/me

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 2.6554% / 0.02655353
    69.0 Medieval_Germanic
    27.0 Italic
    2.2 Medieval_Slav
    1.8 Berber


    regionally the N/S amount percentages are the same but the break downs are slightly different.

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    Distance: 2.6137% / 0.02613745
    67.4 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    17.4 Medieval_Slav
    14.2 Italic
    1.0 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Probably most of Italic is related to ancient Balkanic origin. If i add Cimmerian_o reference to the model I get

    Distance: 2.3405% / 0.02340494
    57.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    24.6 UKR_Cimmerian_o
    15.0 Medieval_Slav
    2.0 Italic
    0.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by xripkan View Post
    Probably most of Italic is related to ancient Balkanic origin. If i add Cimmerian_o reference to the model I get
    Unfortunately I had no luck creating a Balkan average for this test. If I used HRV_IA and some of the Cimmerian Moldovans it would also show up significantly in Italians too. There is obviously a kind of overlap IMO between HRV_IA and some Italian IA populations, the same too with IA Iberians difference being the extent of WHG. I'll have to keep this Cimmerian_O in mind if I ever have another crack at this.

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