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Thread: DIY Ancient Scaled Calc for Italians and Western Jews

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    Target: RC_DAD_scaled
    Distance: 2.5945% / 0.02594522 | ADC: 0.25x
    47.4 Medieval_Germanic
    29.8 Italic
    13.4 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    9.4 Medieval_Slav

    Target: RC_scaled
    Distance: 3.3231% / 0.03323088 | ADC: 0.25x
    49.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    25.8 Italic
    14.0 Medieval_Germanic
    8.4 Medieval_Slav
    2.0 Early_Iberian
    0.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buxoro View Post
    Nice calc

    Target: Buxoro_scaled
    Distance: 11.9473% / 0.11947307 | ADC: 2x
    100.0 Medieval_Germanic

    Target: Buxoro_scaled
    Distance: 11.5947% / 0.11594740 | ADC: 1x
    99.2 Medieval_Germanic
    0.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: Buxoro_scaled
    Distance: 8.0639% / 0.08063852 | ADC: 0.5x
    84.2 Medieval_Germanic
    8.8 Silk_Road_Chinese
    7.0 Berber

    Target: Buxoro_scaled
    Distance: 7.3696% / 0.07369597 | ADC: 0.25x
    66.2 Medieval_Germanic
    11.6 Berber
    11.4 Silk_Road_Chinese
    10.8 Medieval_Slav
    Target: BuxoroFather_scaled
    Distance: 18.5526% / 0.18552578 | ADC: 2x
    100.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean

    Target: BuxoroFather_scaled
    Distance: 14.1739% / 0.14173932 | ADC: 1x
    90.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    9.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: BuxoroFather_scaled
    Distance: 10.4781% / 0.10478100 | ADC: 0.5x
    73.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    20.2 Silk_Road_Chinese
    6.2 Medieval_Germanic

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    Target Distance Berber Early_Iberian East-African Egyptian Hellenized_East-Mediterranean Italic Levantine Medieval_Germanic Medieval_Slav Silk_Road_Chinese SSA
    Gerald_scaled 0.02103542 0.8 6.8 0.0 0.0 8.0 12.2 0.0 67.8 4.4 0.0 0.0
    Average 0.02103542 0.8 6.8 0.0 0.0 8.0 12.2 0.0 67.8 4.4 0.0 0.0

    Target,Distance,Berber,Early_Iberian,East-African,Egyptian,Hellenized_East-Mediterranean,Italic,Levantine,Medieval_Germanic,M edieval_Slav,Silk_Road_Chinese,SSA
    Gerald_scaled,0.02103542,0.8,6.8,0.0,0.0,8.0,12.2, 0.0,67.8,4.4,0.0,0.0
    Average,0.02103542,0.8,6.8,0.0,0.0,8.0,12.2,0.0,67 .8,4.4,0.0,0.0


    Target
    Distance
    Berber
    Early_Iberian
    East-African
    Egyptian
    Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    Italic
    Levantine
    Medieval_Germanic
    Medieval_Slav
    Silk_Road_Chinese
    SSA
    Gerald_scaled 0.02103542
    0.8 6.8 0.0 0.0 8.0 12.2 0.0 67.8 4.4 0.0 0.0
    Average 0.02103542
    0.8 6.8 0.0 0.0 8.0 12.2 0.0 67.8 4.4 0.0 0.0




    Target Distance
    Gerald_scaled 0.02103478
    Average 0.02103478


    0.8 Berber
    7.2 Early_Iberian
    8.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    11.6 Italic
    67.8 Medieval_Germanic
    4.4 Medieval_Slav


    sorry for the lousy copy and paste.
    Last edited by JerryS.; 07-11-2020 at 01:02 PM.

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    Distance: 2.7777% / 0.02777710
    50.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    23.2 Italic
    16.2 Egyptian
    9.4 Berber
    0.4 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Without Egyptian:

    Distance: 2.8838% / 0.02883821
    44.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    23.8 Italic
    18.4 Levantine
    13.0 Berber
    0.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    I runned all Tuscan samples:


    Many of them score Early Iberian and very high East-Med.

    What sample did you use for East med?

    When modeling modern Italians to ancient DNA I noticed that tuscans often pick much Ancient Greek.
    Same thing in this model.

     

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:VO65
    Distance: 1.7754% / 0.01775388
    51.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    28.2 Early_Iberian
    11.0 Italic
    5.8 Medieval_Slav
    3.6 Medieval_Germanic
    0.2 Berber

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:VO59
    Distance: 3.3767% / 0.03376704
    26.2 Italic
    23.4 Levantine
    15.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    14.2 Medieval_Germanic
    13.2 Early_Iberian
    7.4 Medieval_Slav

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:VO109
    Distance: 2.4898% / 0.02489822
    51.4 Italic
    29.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    8.4 Levantine
    6.4 Medieval_Slav
    3.2 Medieval_Germanic
    0.8 East-African
    0.2 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
    Distance: 2.1549% / 0.02154882
    51.2 Italic
    36.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    11.8 Medieval_Germanic
    0.4 Berber

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany93
    Distance: 1.8532% / 0.01853247
    41.4 Italic
    30.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    17.0 Medieval_Germanic
    10.4 Levantine
    0.6 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
    Distance: 1.9919% / 0.01991879
    47.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    31.0 Italic
    20.0 Medieval_Germanic
    0.6 Egyptian
    0.6 SSA
    0.2 Medieval_Slav

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany54
    Distance: 1.8156% / 0.01815634
    56.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    25.6 Early_Iberian
    9.0 Medieval_Slav
    5.6 Italic
    3.8 Medieval_Germanic

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
    Distance: 2.0130% / 0.02013037
    39.4 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    39.4 Italic
    16.2 Medieval_Germanic
    3.6 Egyptian
    1.4 Berber

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
    Distance: 2.0422% / 0.02042185
    53.4 Italic
    39.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    4.0 Medieval_Slav
    3.2 Medieval_Germanic
    0.4 Berber

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20508
    Distance: 1.2265% / 0.01226499
    48.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    22.0 Medieval_Germanic
    11.8 Early_Iberian
    11.6 Italic
    5.2 Levantine
    0.6 Berber

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20506
    Distance: 2.4404% / 0.02440438
    52.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    30.4 Italic
    16.2 Medieval_Germanic
    0.8 Levantine
    0.6 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
    Distance: 1.9341% / 0.01934067
    42.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    36.8 Italic
    14.0 Early_Iberian
    6.2 Medieval_Slav
    0.4 SSA

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20504
    Distance: 2.3197% / 0.02319748
    37.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    34.4 Early_Iberian
    12.6 Levantine
    10.2 Medieval_Germanic
    5.0 Medieval_Slav
    0.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
    Distance: 1.5608% / 0.01560781
    44.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    42.0 Italic
    10.8 Medieval_Germanic
    3.2 Medieval_Slav

    Target: Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
    Distance: 1.5608% / 0.01560781
    44.0 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    42.0 Italic
    10.8 Medieval_Germanic
    3.2 Medieval_Slav
    I explain on the first page how I created the HEM average. The early Iberian and Italic components are pretty similar, the iberian one just comprises some more WHG. IMO Italians can add both values together and see that total as their potential percentage of descent from Latin speakers. It can get as high into the 60s for some Italians from Bergamo and Lombardy. Sure no one in their right mind would takes these DIY tests seriously but reminder anyways this is just for fun to pass pandemic boredom until new samples become available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabass View Post
    I explain on the first page how I created the HEM average. The early Iberian and Italic components are pretty similar, the iberian one just comprises some more WHG. IMO Italians can add both values together and see that total as their potential percentage of descent from Latin speakers. It can get as high into the 60s for some Italians from Bergamo and Lombardy. Sure no one in their right mind would takes these DIY tests seriously but reminder anyways this is just for fun to pass pandemic boredom until new samples become available.
    PM sent.
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    Target: Me_scaled
    Distance: 1.1997% / 0.01199708
    58.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    20.8 Levantine
    7.4 Early_Iberian
    4.0 Berber
    3.4 Medieval_Slav
    3.0 Medieval_Germanic
    2.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Target: S_scaled
    Distance: 2.2790% / 0.02278960
    50.8 Levantine
    18.6 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    18.2 Medieval_Germanic
    9.2 Early_Iberian
    2.2 Silk_Road_Chinese
    0.6 Berber
    0.2 Medieval_Slav
    0.2 SSA

    How common is the Early Iberian for other Jewish samples?
    הִנְנִי֩ מֵבִ֨יא אוֹתָ֜ם מֵאֶ֣רֶץ צָפ֗וֹן

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    Other potential and/or likely recent lineages: J-L816, J-PF5456, E-FGC56023

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    Target: me_scaled
    Distance: 1.6460% / 0.01645993
    51.8 Medieval_Germanic
    23.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    16.2 Medieval_Slav
    4.2 Early_Iberian
    2.6 Italic
    2.0 Silk_Road_Chinese

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    Target: JonahS_scaled
    Distance: 2.3064% / 0.02306391
    49.2 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    17.8 Medieval_Germanic
    16.2 Levantine
    8.0 Berber
    4.2 Egyptian
    3.8 Medieval_Slav
    0.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

    Without Egyptian:

    Target: JonahS_scaled
    Distance: 2.3117% / 0.02311706
    46.8 Hellenized_East-Mediterranean
    21.8 Levantine
    18.2 Medieval_Germanic
    8.8 Berber
    3.6 Medieval_Slav
    0.8 Silk_Road_Chinese

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    What did you use for early Iberian? I'm getting very low for it as a Portuguese

    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 2.5741% / 0.02574056
    49.2 Italic
    24.8 Medieval_Germanic
    14.0 Berber
    10.2 Early_Iberian
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