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    Early Medieval DNA from the Ural region (Csaky et al. 2020 preprint)

    Just in at bioRxiv. Abstract:

    The ancient Hungarians originated from the Ural region of Russia, and migrated through the Middle-Volga region and the Eastern European steppe into the Carpathian Basin during the 9th century AD. Their Homeland was probably in the southern Trans-Ural region, where the Kushnarenkovo culture disseminated. In the Cis-Ural region Lomovatovo and Nevolino cultures are archaeologically related to ancient Hungarians. In this study we describe maternal and paternal lineages of 36 individuals from these regions and nine Hungarian Conquest period individuals from today's Hungary, as well as shallow shotgun genome data from the Trans-Uralic Uyelgi cemetery. We point out the genetic continuity between the three chronological horizons of Uyelgi cemetery, which was a burial place of a rather endogamous population. Using phylogenetic and population genetic analyses we demonstrate the genetic connection between Trans-, Cis-Ural and the Carpathian Basin on various levels. The analyses of this new Uralic dataset fill a gap of population genetic research of Eurasia, and reshape the conclusions previously drawn from 10-11th century ancient mitogenomes and Y-chromosomes from Hungary.
    The discussion is already underway at Eurogenes:

    First taste of Early Medieval DNA from the Ural region (Csaky et al. 2020 preprint)

    The Y-haplogroups from the Uylegi cemetery look very interesting, don't you think?


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    Looks almost exactly what you'd expect for a Uralic speaking population, no? Very cool to see a Y hg link between early medieval Hungarian founders and modern day Finns, Estonians, etc. Finno-Ugric indeed.

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    I emailed one of the authors and got this response about the Uyelgi11 sample.

    "thank you for highlighting this misinterpretation of Y-chromosomal haplogroup!

    We classified the Y-haplogroups based on Y-SNPs as well as Y-STRs (both were incomplete), so based on SNP set we were able to determine only the J2, and based on STRs it could be J2b1 M205 (or J2a1 M31)9. But the correct result is the J2*, we will revise the Fig.4."

    Hopefully the raw data will be released at some point. I think that it is more likely to be J2b1-M205 than J2a-M319 though.

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    Supplementary reading material (mostly in Russian)

    The Archaeology of the Eurasian Steppe Vol.6 2018 (Tatarstan Academy of Sciences)

    [page 8] [RU] Hungarian (Magyar) Features of the Funerary Rite of Medieval Burial Grounds of the Cis-Urals
    [page 13] [RU] Ural-Altaic Unity in the Funerary Complexes of Uelgi
    [page 35] [RU] Interdisciplinary Study of Materials from Burial 7 of the Bolshe-Tigansky Burial Ground
    [page 73][RU] Results of a Study of Srostky I Site in the Altai: return to the origins and new materials
    [page 81] [RU] "Elite" Burial Mounds of the Srostkinskaya Culture of the 1st – 2nd Millennium AD on the Ob Plateau
    [page 89] [RU] Chronology and Periodization of Uelgi Burial Ground
    [page 116] [RU] The Issue of Characterization of Medieval Cultures in the Ural-Volga Region
    [page 127] [RU] Sources on the Eastern Magyars in the Ulus of Jochi
    [page 136] [EN] Eastern Religious Motifs on the Belt Mounts of Subotsi Group, Kushnarenkovo Culture and Lomovatovo Culture.
    [page 150] [RU] Migrations from Western Siberia to Europe in the Early Iron Age and the Migration Period
    [page 165] [RU] Historical Science and Linguistics on the Ethnogenesis of Ancient Hungarians (In the Context of New Hungarian Studies)
    [page 202] [EN] Maternal Genetic Composition of Early Medieval (6th-10th century AD) Populations Lived in the Cis- and Trans-Ural and Volga-Kama Regions
    [page 223] [EN] Ethnocultural Situation in the 9th Century in the Lower Dniester Region and the Hungarian Factor
    [page 241] [EN] East European Connections and Roots of the 10 Centuries Archaeological Heritage in the Carpathian Basin by the Results of the Latest Investigations
    [page 257] [RU] Reference to the Place of Residence of Ancient Hungarians in a Persian Geographical Source (10th C)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    Looks almost exactly what you'd expect for a Uralic speaking population, no? Very cool to see a Y hg link between early medieval Hungarian founders and modern day Finns, Estonians, etc. Finno-Ugric indeed.
    Samples with a more precise subgroup seem to belong to an East Uralic, later heavily Turkified sublineage of N-Z1936 TMRCA 4100 years > N-B539 (Hungarians but also Bashkirs and Volga Tatars). West Uralic N-Z1936 > N-B535 covers people such as Mordvinic speakers, Estonians, Karelians, Vepsians, Finns and Saami . The dispersion of N-Z1936 seem to have taken place during the dispersion of Uralic itself.

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    Important to note:
    Serbs/Croatians who belong to N group are mostly in the deep divergent N2-P189, (Highlighted as Balkan on the tree above)
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    Again, no autosomal DNA?

    This fixation with HG's getting weird.
    Turkish DNA Project:

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    This time there is a PC map, p. 17, and an admixture analysis, p. 19.
    Fig. S3a PCA with modern Eurasian individuals
    Fig. S3dADMIXTURE (K=16)

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...ntary-material

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    Did anybody check the (low coverage) KB/300 Kunbábony/300 (khagan) from this paper https://www.researchgate.net/publica...rpathian_Basin, which also might be Z1936?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afshar View Post
    Did anybody check...
    If I'm right, anything beyond N-M178 TMRCA 11700 years was not tested, apparently because of sample quality. Possibly he is just another Avar N-M197 TMRCA 4600 years. N-L1026 TMRCA 4600 years is ancestral to both N-Z1936 and N-Y6058> N-M197. Even though Avars were really Siberian, they BTW share N-Y6058 with fex many Baltic speakers. As already said, major Hungarian N-Z1936 is then a brother lineage.

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