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    Origin, Y-DNA of Sandzak Muslims

    From other data I have seen, it looks as though the majority of Sandzak Muslims are of Albanian Malesor origin and score high E-V13. Haven't seen any more data on this and cannot find the earlier data. Anyone have it? Please post and discuss.

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    Wouldn't be surprised if Sandžak Muslims are more Albanian, Serbian and Montenegrin-like than Bosnian Muslims. I too would like to see a good study on their uniparentals and autosomals with a solid number of samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenetiks View Post
    From other data I have seen, it looks as though the majority of Sandzak Muslims are of Albanian Malesor origin and score high E-V13. Haven't seen any more data on this and cannot find the earlier data. Anyone have it? Please post and discuss.
    this is the Bosniak dna project, with both Sandžak and Bosnian Bosniaks. In column 3 on the first link, you can see some of the participants have an Albanian origin. but i'm not sure if it's the majority of them.

    https://bosnjackidnk.com/baza-bez-markera/
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...4456171879&z=8

    this is a Sandžak only overview from 2018. now there are probably more samples, and a more accurate one could be made.

    189 samples
    E-V13 (78) - 41,2%
    R1b (32) - 16,9%
    I2 (24) - 12,7%
    J2b (19) - 10%
    I1 (10) - 5,3%
    J2a (10) - 5,3%
    R1a (5) - 2,6%
    G2a (5) - 2,6%
    T (2) - 1,1%
    C (2) - 1,1%
    H (1) - 0,6%
    J1 (1) - 0,6%

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavomir View Post
    this is the Bosniak dna project, with both Sandžak and Bosnian Bosniaks. In column 3 on the first link, you can see some of the participants have an Albanian origin. but i'm not sure if it's the majority of them.

    https://bosnjackidnk.com/baza-bez-markera/
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...4456171879&z=8

    this is a Sandžak only overview from 2018. now there are probably more samples, and a more accurate one could be made.

    189 samples
    E-V13 (78) - 41,2%
    R1b (32) - 16,9%
    I2 (24) - 12,7%
    J2b (19) - 10%
    I1 (10) - 5,3%
    J2a (10) - 5,3%
    R1a (5) - 2,6%
    G2a (5) - 2,6%
    T (2) - 1,1%
    C (2) - 1,1%
    H (1) - 0,6%
    J1 (1) - 0,6%
    So would it be fair to say the majority of Sandzak muslims are of Malesor Albanian origin? If this Sandzak only sample is true, it would indicate so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenetiks View Post
    So would it be fair to say the majority of Sandzak muslims are of Malesor Albanian origin? If this Sandzak only sample is true, it would indicate so.
    To be fair looking at this database it seems a lot of Sandzak Muslims carry the I2a Slavic haplogroup was well. Is this from Bosnian migration from Bosnia proper or an indication of Montenegrin original origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenetiks View Post
    To be fair looking at this database it seems a lot of Sandzak Muslims carry the I2a Slavic haplogroup was well. Is this from Bosnian migration from Bosnia proper or an indication of Montenegrin original origin?
    i don't think there was a lot of a such migration. the bulk of their origin is from just a handful of Montenegrin Brda(a region just south of Sandžak) tribes and Albanian tribes. the R1a and i2a are probably mostly remains of the older Serbian population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slavomir View Post
    i don't think there was a lot of a such migration. the bulk of their origin is from just a handful of Montenegrin Brda(a region just south of Sandžak) tribes and Albanian tribes. the R1a and i2a are probably mostly remains of the older Serbian population.
    How do Serbs from the same region compare in terms of Y dna distribution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjenetiks View Post
    To be fair looking at this database it seems a lot of Sandzak Muslims carry the I2a Slavic haplogroup was well. Is this from Bosnian migration from Bosnia proper or an indication of Montenegrin original origin?
    Doubt there was ever significant migration from Bosnia proper. It's been more the other way around.

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    First of all we should define Sandzak. In modern times, we refer to it as one region because of historical and geopolitical issues but in terms of population movements, it is divided into two regions: a southern Sandzak (Gusinje, Plav, Tutin, Rozhaje, Novi Pazar) populated much more by an Albanian substratum than a Slavic one and a northern Sandzak (Prijepolje, Priboj, Pljevlja, Bijelo Polje) populated much more by a Slavic substratum than an Albanian one. The two regions "meet" in the Sjenica-Petnjica line. In turn, that meant that migrations from Montenegro tended to go to southern Sandzak if the population spoke Albanian and to northern Sandzak if the population spoke Serbo-Croatian. It also meant that people from Herzegovina that migrated there, tended to settle in the north and people from Albanian regions tended to settle in the south.

    We can pretty much map nowadays the route of every surname of the Sandzak and explain why it is E-V13, J2b, I2 etc. An example I like are the https://bosnjackidnk.com/porijeklo-p...vic-iz-trpezi/ Skenderovići from Petnjica (J2b-L283>Z597, typical of Albanian Malësor tribes). This is a brotherhood from Brskut, current Bratonozići, which then was part of Bukumiri . These people migrated as Orthodox in Petnjica (18th century) and became Muslim under influence from the Shabanagaj, a brotherhood from Gruemiri, who had converted to Islam about 50 years earlier (they were Catholics).
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