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    is being vegetarian against nature or with nature?

    My dad is from a hindu family and my mom muslim. The two families could not be more opposite, my mom side heavy eaters, while my dad side mostly vegetarians only eating chicken or fish once in a while.

    For me obviously I am meat eater, because being vegetrian trully restricts you to expolore so many amazing cusines in the world, but I also like Indian vege food mostly at home.

    My question though is, what is more against nature? being vegetarian or non vegetarian?

    Sometimes I trully felt sad for the cousins in my dad side of the family, who never tasted beef burger for example or even so many different types of meat kebabs

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    To me, this seems like a weird question. Humans are naturally omnivorous and well adapted to absorbing nutrients from plant and animal sources. Historically, diet was constrained by the climatology and ecology of a given region, with wide differences in diet between dissimilar regions. These days, we have much greater freedom in choice of foodstuffs available, so it is possible to obtain adequate nutrition from a combination of plant and animal sources or plant sources alone. Neither diet type is against nature, as the cultural and technological climate we've created around food consumption and distribution supports both =/

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    I have been vegan for several years, I am so strict on this issue, that I was struggling for several months with an issue related to my hair loss. Until I found a vegan product to take care of my hair , I did not apply it to my body, I do the same with my diet and so far I have felt many improvements in my state of health.

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    Not sure what "nature" is.
    What have people mostly done in the past?
    They have eaten the foods that are available.
    But at some times, some very abrupt swings can be made.
    Some groups along the sea shore, for example, ate lots of shellfish at one time, as we can see from enormous mounds of shell middens.
    And then they stopped abruptly, and would only eat land-based forms of protein.
    So some of our habits are choices for no apparent biological reason.

    Going way back, there is evidence that people we may think of as meat eaters seldom ate meat - perhaps mainly when an annual migration of animals came through.
    The rest of the time they ate root vegetables, grains, fruits and other plant parts.

    I have direct and indirect evidence of the diets of most of my ancestral lines 100 years ago.
    One stated "we ate a lot of porridge [when he was young], fish and porridge".
    Others were miners and could not write. But visitors to the area recorded that miners there had large cottage gardens.
    And also that they ate a lot of porridge. (Made from grain.)
    When some bad years came through and the vegetables in their gardens rotted, they could not make a living and migrated elsewhere.
    A third group had been farming intensely on small acreages, with a patch of grain and lots of vegetables.
    Not sure about their animals, but they usually had a cow for milk.
    When they came to their new country, they were noted for the same methods at first.
    They produced a great surplus of vegetables which they sold to others.
    Not sure about other animals.
    Know someone from that family who preferred vegetarian.
    (Sources of vegetable protein then were not adequate to go vegan.)

    Observations by others of diets over the centuries - even Western European ones - suggest that the level of meat consumption now common is usually much higher than historically over the last say 10 centuries.
    Numerical analysis of food sources into the future suggests that traditional animal protein sources will decline in quantity.
    While most people will choose to eat meat when they can, it will be less often than now.

    There are always personal health reasons why one diet or another suits an individual.
    Recently, some sports people in my country have said they never felt so good eating a ..... diet.
    I have seen the gap filled by "vegan" (mostly) and "meat based".
    I have known people who have sensitivities to ingredients in various food items: some plant, some animal.

    So, eat what keeps you healthy.
    Your individual nature is probably what matters most.
    In the past, people have usually eaten what was available - mostly plants.

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    If you are vegan, just do not try and make your cat vegan. It does not work.

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    I'll risk a politically incorrect statement here (I occasionally allow myself to produce one!).

    In the light of what I know of my five hundred years of rural ancestry, I tend to think that being a vegan is somehow a spoilt brat's privilege. Veganism is an option you consider only on a full stomach.

    As a father of two and grandfather of four, I keep my fingers crossed that, if the planet keeps running on its collision course with disaster, no-one in my family will ever go hungry.

    I strongly advise reading this short story: it's only three pages long, and tells a lot about the complacency that prevails in some circles - which can afford it:

    http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-st...aEngl794.shtml
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    Distance: 1.510% : 50.0 German , 50.0 Spanish Castilla .... Distance: 1.453% : 50.4 Swiss German , 49.6 Spanish Barcelona
    Distance: 1.659% : 50.2 Scottish , 49.8 French Corsica...... Distance: 1.714% : 50.8 Italian Lombardy , 49.2 French Brittany
    Distance: 1.959% : 50.8 Irish , 49.2 Italian Tuscany ......... Distance: 2.189% : 50.8 Dutch , 49.2 Basque French

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    people who select a special diet (as in turn away from natural foods be they plants or animal based), have never really been hungry.

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    By nature, do you mean genetics? As that is a question with many answers for different peoples, such as the example of lactose tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    My dad is from a hindu family and my mom muslim. The two families could not be more opposite, my mom side heavy eaters, while my dad side mostly vegetarians only eating chicken or fish once in a while.

    For me obviously I am meat eater, because being vegetrian trully restricts you to expolore so many amazing cusines in the world, but I also like Indian vege food mostly at home.

    My question though is, what is more against nature? being vegetarian or non vegetarian?

    Sometimes I trully felt sad for the cousins in my dad side of the family, who never tasted beef burger for example or even so many different types of meat kebabs
    Judging from the history of humanity, I would think the only option that is against nature, is the one that says you should exclusively choose one over the other.
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    I think we were primarily vegetarians with occasional animal based protein when we could. I try to mimic this in my daily life to the best of my ability. I’ve stopped consuming factory farmed proteins. The meat I do consume is more expensive, tases better and is “healthier”, if I can say that? I also don’t eat it as much.

    I don’t think we were designed to eat as much meat as we do and the fall out is health issues and pollution. There’s a large cattle farm on I-5, north of LA, maybe by Bakersfield area? Anyways, Driving past these farms is disgusting. It’s like a huge cow fart cloud, and the smell is repulsive.
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