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    Discovering father's minor Sub-Saharan African

    Hi all,

    I'll keep this post brief and straight to the point. I now have enough models/information I want to put into one place so its easier to find in future. Some of you may have ventured into or seen my SSA and Ashkenazi thread over in the Jewish section. That was in relation to my maternal grandfather. I recently received G25 coordinates for my father and noticed he was picking up smalls amounts of SSA (he's 50/50 Croatian and English). In brief discussions with Davidski and David Reich (as he was a co-author for the paper, The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews, I thought his input would be valuable as well), we concluded my father likely has a small amount of SSA. With some feedback on modelling and guidance from our friend Angoliga, if he does have minor SSA, it is likely West African.

    After modelling my father, I revisited myself and noticed I also pick up West African populations (smaller amounts). Here are some models, starting with OptimaFit's for my father (I include Sicilian because he seems to fit well with it, and it helps to decrease the SSA):



    OptimaFit - Unscaled with penalty with Mandenka in the model

    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 0.9296
    Results: English 55.4
    Croatian 37.2
    Sicilian West 5.6
    Mende Sierra Leone 1.8


    Optimafit - Unscaled with penalty without Mandenka in the model

    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 0.9335
    Results: English 54
    Croatian 38.2
    Sicilian West 6.4
    Igbo 1.4


    I'm not sure why including or removing Mandenka from the model changes which West African sample is selected. Someone here may be able to comment on this.

    Father modern models:

    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 0.8529
    Results: English 51.5
    Croatian 40
    Sicilian West 7
    Mende Sierra Leone 1.5


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 0.8384
    Results: English 51
    Croatian 41
    Sicilian West 6.5
    Esan Nigeria 1.5


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 0.8393
    Results: English 50
    Croatian 41.5
    Sicilian West 7
    Igbo 1.5


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 0.8455
    Results: English 51.5
    Croatian 39.5
    Sicilian West 7.5
    Yoruba 1.5


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 0.8431
    Results: English 51.5
    Croatian 41
    Sicilian West 6.5
    Mandenka 1


    Father ancient models (I haven't undertaken a lot of ancient modelling, so if there's an issue my apologies. These are a few I've done):

    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 1.5946
    Results: England MBA 75
    HRV MBA 16
    Sicily MBA 5
    Luxmanda 3100BP 4


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 1.6246
    Results: England MBA 75.5
    HRV MBA 16
    Sicily MBA 5.5
    Shum Laka 3000BP 3


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► Balkan KiwiFather
    Fit: 1.6052
    Results: England MBA 75
    HRV MBA 17.5
    Sicily MBA 5
    Fingira 2500BP 2.5


    BalkanKiwi modern models:

    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 0.5806
    Results: Irish 56
    English 29
    Croatian 9
    Samaritan 4
    Kosipe 1
    Mende Sierra Leone 1


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 0.6435
    Results: Irish 54.5
    English 30.5
    Croatian 9.5
    Samaritan 4.5
    Esan Nigeria 1


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 0.6129
    Results: Irish 52
    English 33.5
    Croatian 9
    Samaritan 4
    Igbo 1
    Kosipe 0.5


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 0.6412
    Results: Irish 54
    English 31.5
    Croatian 8.5
    Samaritan 5
    Yoruba 1


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 0.6234
    Results: Irish 51.5
    English 33
    Croatian 11
    Samaritan 3
    Mandenka 1
    Kosipe 0.5


    BalkanKiwi ancient models:

    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 1.0822
    Results: England MBA 75.5
    HRV MBA 17.5
    Levant JOR EBA 4.5
    VUT 2500BP 1.5
    Shum Laka 3000BP 1


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 1.1156
    Results: England MBA 77.5
    HRV MBA 16.5
    Levant JOR EBA 3.5
    VUT 2500BP 1.5
    Luxmanda 3100BP 1


    Sample: Balkan Kiwi ► BalkanKiwi
    Fit: 1.0595
    Results: England MBA 76.5
    HRV MBA 16
    Levant JOR EBA 5
    Fingira 2500BP 1.5
    VUT 2500BP 1
    Last edited by BalkanKiwi; 08-21-2020 at 05:46 AM. Reason: Grammar
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