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    Central and South Indian Shaikhs

    I have one grandparent who had the Shaikh Muslim surname. From what I've read, there tends to be two possible origins for Shaikhs. Either they are West Asian descendants with usually Arab origin claims or they are more recent Hindu converts. For the more recent converts, at least for Pakistan and North India, I've read that they were former Brahmins, Khastriyas, or Rajputs. It's a vague origin tbh. Does the same apply to those in states like Mararasthra, Karnataka, the Deccan or South? Would what be the most likely origin before converting? I have reason to be believe that grandparent was a more recent convert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    I have one grandparent who had the Shaikh Muslim surname. From what I've read, there tends to be two possible origins for Shaikhs. Either they are West Asian descendants with usually Arab origin claims or they are more recent Hindu converts. For the more recent converts, at least for Pakistan and North India, I've read that they were former Brahmins, Khastriyas, or Rajputs. It's a vague origin tbh. Does the same apply to those in states like Mararasthra, Karnataka, the Deccan or South? Would what be the most likely origin before converting? I have reason to be believe that grandparent was a more recent convert.
    Andhra there are some shrines that say belonged to Prophet Mohammed descendants two popular sufi saints Peerullah Hussaini and Arufullah Haussaini II like the Ameen peer durgah in Kadapa http://english.kadapa.info/ameenpeer...-pedda-dargah/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSqdype9f3g


    Auliyas Names of dargah as follows:

    1. Hazarath Khwaja Syed Shah Peerulluah Mohammed mohammedul Hussaini Chisti-ul-khadari
    2. Hazarath Khwaja Syed Shah Aarifulluah Mohammed mohammedul Hussaini Chisti-ul-khadari
    3. Hazrath Ameen Peer saab Dargah

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Andhra there are some shrines that say belonged to Prophet Mohammed descendants two popular sufi saints Peerullah Hussaini and Arufullah Haussaini II like the Ameen peer durgah in Kadapa http://english.kadapa.info/ameenpeer...-pedda-dargah/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSqdype9f3g
    This is not from my side with Syed descent, this is from my paternal side. This grandparent I heard was from
    Bidar, Karnataka originally


    Auliyas Names of dargah as follows:

    1. Hazarath Khwaja Syed Shah Peerulluah Mohammed mohammedul Hussaini Chisti-ul-khadari
    2. Hazarath Khwaja Syed Shah Aarifulluah Mohammed mohammedul Hussaini Chisti-ul-khadari
    3. Hazrath Ameen Peer saab Dargah

    4.Gesudaraz dargah in almospet, Kadapa
    This is not from the side with the Syed descent, this is from my paternal side. This grandparent was originally from Bidar, Karnataka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    I have one grandparent who had the Shaikh Muslim surname. From what I've read, there tends to be two possible origins for Shaikhs. Either they are West Asian descendants with usually Arab origin claims or they are more recent Hindu converts. For the more recent converts, at least for Pakistan and North India, I've read that they were former Brahmins, Khastriyas, or Rajputs. It's a vague origin tbh. Does the same apply to those in states like Mararasthra, Karnataka, the Deccan or South? Would what be the most likely origin before converting? I have reason to be believe that grandparent was a more recent convert.
    In Punjab atleast I'm aware Sheikh is used by Khatri converts. But in past someone mentioned Nais (Barbers) have started using sheikh as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    In Punjab atleast I'm aware Sheikh is used by Khatri converts. But in past someone mentioned Nais (Barbers) have started using sheikh as well.
    Also used by some Brahmin converts as well. I would say they are predominantly Khatri but any caste did it.

    I can check some reference from the late 18th century to see who else commonly did it.

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    Pulled up some references. So reading through some of this it seems like that late 18th century it was any high caste. By the mid 19th Century it becomes more Khatri centrist. Makes sense almost anyone who didn't move converted to Islam. I have zero Muslim relatives in India but quite a few in the 4th generation in Pakistan(who are Sheikhs).







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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    In Punjab atleast I'm aware Sheikh is used by Khatri converts. But in past someone mentioned Nais (Barbers) have started using sheikh as well.
    What about Qassabs (butchers)?, are Qureshis similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Pulled up some references. So reading through some of this it seems like that late 18th century it was any high caste. By the mid 19th Century it becomes more Khatri centrist. Makes sense almost anyone who didn't move converted to Islam. I have zero Muslim relatives in India but quite a few in the 4th generation in Pakistan(who are Sheikhs).







    Is the text referring to FM Ayub Khan from a writing of Khushwant Singh?
    The only other person who might have written it, that I can think of, is Kuldeep Nayyar, which seems a little less likely, because Manzur Qadir was KS' acquaintance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Also used by some Brahmin converts as well. I would say they are predominantly Khatri but any caste did it.

    I can check some reference from the late 18th century to see who else commonly did it.
    Two of my Great-Grandfather's cousins had converted to Islam and would use Sheikh. If I get a chance to visit Pakistan again, I shall trace their descendants. All correspondence between the family's branches ceased after my GGF passed away in 1962. They came from a village very close to Sukho, in Gujar Khan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    Is the text referring to FM Ayub Khan from a writing of Khushwant Singh?
    The only other person who might have written it, that I can think of, is Kuldeep Nayyar, which seems a little less likely, because Manzur Qadir was KS' acquaintance.
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