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    Distance: 1.6738% / 0.01673789 | ADC: 0.25x
    94.8 South_central_Asia
    4.6 South_Asian
    0.6 Amazonian

    Target: Arlus_scaled
    Distance: 1.6607% / 0.01660733
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    Target: Marek_scaled
    Distance: 1.5714% / 0.01571437 | ADC: 0.25x
    80.6 Central_European
    11.6 Central_Asia_and_steppe
    2.8 East_European
    2.4 Baltic
    1.6 USA_European_Settler
    0.8 East_Africa
    0.2 Levantine

    Target: Marek_scaled
    Distance: 1.1217% / 0.01121687
    45.8 Baltic
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    Quote Originally Posted by midichlorian View Post
    What's fascinating is the lack of Persian_Babylonian in some of the runs from persons further East into the Indian subcontinent than the confines of Pakistan and Western India.
    They don't have direct ingress from Persians. Only NW South Asians + some Western Pakistanis show Iran_chl mixture. Especially with the "base" populations covering the Iran_N.

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    IMHO we're reaching a saturation point with all of these custom G25-based calculators as it is.

    Particularly as several of them fall prey to the (unintentional or otherwise) biases or knowledge deficits of their creators.

    I don't see a rationale in merging "Persia" (I assume this is the entire Iranian plateau) and "Mesopotamia" into a single entity given the inherent differences between them (let alone within Iran itself), whilst giving "Mediterranean islanders" their own exclusive component.

    Makes as much sense as merging NW S Asians with interior Subcontinental pops (f.ex. a "Kalash-Hyderabad" cluster). Sure, there's clear overlap in the agriculturalist component between W Iran and Mesopotamia, but Assyrians and Mazandarani or Bandari Iranians are pretty darn divergent.

    We'd be much better off as a community if people began to independently run and appraise qpAdm models, IBD data, downstream uniparentals and the like rather than a seemingly endless wave of custom arrangements from multiple chefs carving out the same cake in different ways.
    Last edited by DMXX; 07-28-2020 at 08:31 AM. Reason: lines

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMXX View Post
    IMHO we're reaching a saturation point with all of these custom G25-based calculators as it is.

    Particularly as several of them fall prey to the (unintentional or otherwise) biases or knowledge deficits of their creators.

    I don't see a rationale in merging "Persia" (I assume this is the entire Iranian plateau) and "Mesopotamia" into a single entity given the inherent differences between them (let alone within Iran itself), whilst giving "Mediterranean islanders" their own exclusive component.

    Makes as much sense as merging NW S Asians with interior Subcontinental pops (f.ex. a "Kalash-Hyderabad" cluster). Sure, there's clear overlap in the agriculturalist component between W Iran and Mesopotamia, but Assyrians and Mazandarani or Bandari Iranians are pretty darn divergent.

    We'd be much better off as a community if people began to independently run and appraise qpAdm models, IBD data, downstream uniparentals and the like rather than a seemingly endless wave of custom arrangements from multiple chefs carving out the same cake in different ways.
    I agree. However, I have some counterpoints.
    - Allows new users to get some idea of their ancestry.
    - Encourages more folks to get a G25.
    - Is good to catch components that are not usual for ethnicity. Like for me I only get good fits if I can get some African, Native American, Arab and a Corded Ware heavy population. (I show roughly 2% MENA and 0.5 Somali on 23and me/ Used to get 2% Native American on Ancestry likely from ANE).
    - Gets more folks interested in diving deep and running their own stuff.

    I think a disclaimer to all is that these runs should not be taken seriously.

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    Don't disagree - The over-arching response to those points (and my main gripe) is that the component selection procedure in most of these calculators is almost always at the whim of the author - Multiply that by two dozen and we have multiple calculators with varying degrees of appropriateness that'll either confuse newer users or feed into the preconceived biases of established ones.

    As we both know, G25 data is basically one big exercise in Euclidean distance approximation in an estimated vs. observed set of coords. If custom calc creators arbitrarily define components, it'd either "accidentally" capture particular variants of ancestry through them, or dilute real signals. It'd just add more confusion instead of clarity.

    For instance, this "Persia-Mesopotamia" component would ostensibly represent some sort of Iran_ChL-type (Anatolia_N-rich) admix in groups like NW S Asians. However, there was already substantial diversity in Iran_N:Anatolia_N proportions in Iran_ChL pops (let alone modern groups, who have substantial admix from other areas).
    So, would a NW S Asian scoring X% of "P-M" in such a calc reflect an actual excess of Anatolia_N-rich Iran_ChL via admix from further west, or is it a false signal from another ancestral source (f.ex. a steppe-admixed Sappali Tepe, which is roughly what central modern Iranians are)?

    There's no consensus formation regarding validation, cross-comparison for accuracy, or anything else that resembles a statistical assessment of how "useful" these calcs are versus a conventional regional G25 setup (like the ones we've performed robustly and as a community here).

    I'm also not opposed to Davidski generating further income from more G25 (frankly, IMO, he deserves it for all the hard work he's done for nearly a decade).
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    Distance: 1.0454% / 0.01045382
    58.2	South_central_Asia
    23.2	South_Asian
    10.6	Central_Asia_and_steppe
    2.6	Sibérian
    2.0	Germanic_Europe
    1.4	West_Russia
    1.0	South_Caucasus
    0.4	East_European
    0.4	French
    0.2	West_Berber
    
    
    Target: 2
    
    
    Distance: 1.8515% / 0.01851469
    41.6	South_central_Asia
    27.2	Central_Asia_and_steppe
    13.4	South_Asian
    6.4	Baltic
    3.2	Italian
    3.0	Indochina
    2.8	Persian_Mesopotamian
    1.4	USA_indigenous
    0.6	Melanesian
    0.4	Egyptian

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    Target: Khana
    Distance: 0.7369% / 0.00736941
    36.0 Persian_Mesopotamian
    28.6 South_Asian
    17.0 South_central_Asia
    5.4 Central_Asia_and_steppe
    5.4 Greece
    4.6 Sibérian
    1.8 Crusaders
    0.8 Baltic
    0.4 Germanic_Europe

    Target: Khana_Uncle
    Distance: 1.1315% / 0.01131534
    36.2 South_Asian
    23.6 Central_Asia_and_steppe
    20.0 South_central_Asia
    9.8 Greece
    6.8 Persian_Mesopotamian
    1.4 Indo_Tibétan
    1.0 Melanesian
    0.8 Levantine
    0.2 Baltic
    0.2 Egyptian

    Target: Khana_GF_Sister
    Distance: 2.4832% / 0.02483166
    54.2 South_central_Asia
    18.4 Central_Asia_and_steppe
    13.8 Persian_Mesopotamian
    4.0 Egyptian
    3.0 Spain
    2.2 South_Asian
    1.8 Italian
    1.2 British
    0.6 Sibérian
    0.4 East_Africa
    0.4 East_European

    Target: Khana_GM
    Distance: 0.8115% / 0.00811504
    41.0 South_central_Asia
    29.6 Central_Asia_and_steppe
    5.6 Greece
    5.0 East_European
    5.0 Mongolian
    4.8 Indo_Tibétan
    4.0 Persian_Mesopotamian
    3.2 Anatolia
    1.6 Central_European
    0.2 Balkan

    Target: Khana_GM_Brother
    Distance: 0.2753% / 0.00275284
    34.8 South_central_Asia
    25.0 Central_Asia_and_steppe
    11.2 Anatolia
    8.2 Indo_Tibétan
    5.8 Persian_Mesopotamian
    3.4 French
    3.0 Balkan
    2.2 Artic
    1.4 Central_Chinese
    1.4 Mongolian
    1.0 South_Caucasus
    0.8 Japanese/Korean
    0.6 Central_European
    0.6 Sibérian
    0.4 Scandinavia
    0.2 West_Russia
    Last edited by khanabadoshi; 07-28-2020 at 03:12 PM.
    “Chahar chez est tohfay Multan, Gard-o- Garma, Gada-o- Goristan”.

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    Fits are much tighter with p much any calc with ancestrydna
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    Target: Ramgarhia_Average
    Distance: 1.1311% / 0.01131138
    40.2 South_central_Asia
    30.8 South_Asian
    17.6 Persian_Mesopotamian
    7.6 West_Russia
    3.8 East_European

    Ramgarhia_PV (new)

    Target: Ramgarhia_PV_scaled
    Distance: 1.0715% / 0.01071488
    42.8 South_central_Asia
    30.4 South_Asian
    8.8 Persian_Mesopotamian
    7.4 East_European
    6.6 Anatolia
    3.2 West_Russia
    0.6 Central_Asia_and_steppe
    0.2 Amazonian
    Last edited by MonkeyDLuffy; 07-28-2020 at 03:36 PM.
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