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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    His Caucasian is in range of Khatris, Kambohs, Kashmiris pandits, Arains and some Gujjars. Not unusual for a Punjabi. Results resemble an Arain/Gujjar/Kashmiri Pandit the most due to low NE euro on harappa.
    But he isn't typical plain punjabi like khatris, kamboj and arains. Results are unusual for his region and awan samples seen so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bol_nat View Post
    But he isn't typical plain punjabi like khatris, kamboj and arains. Results are unusual for his region and awan samples seen so far.
    We don't know about his mix. I highly doubt anyone is pure "their tribe" in that area, especially amongst Muslims. Amber gets matches all over the place. So with whatever mixture this individual had, it ended up resembling an Arain despite being a non plain Punjabi.

    I forgot to tell you, I found some Arain and Awan Sikhs on Facebook, and shared with some users here. Wasn't aware they exist.
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    Bruh you keep getting my sex wrong, it's her* And apparently it is literally "pure bred". Both of my parents families havent left their little villages for years, but according to 23andme, there were Iranian and Central Asian great grandparents so idk either.

    What makes me not "plain Punjabi"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdufh View Post
    Bruh you keep getting my sex wrong, it's her* And apparently it is literally "pure bred". Both of my parents families havent left their little villages for years, but according to 23andme, there were Iranian and Central Asian great grandparents so idk either.

    What makes me not "plain Punjabi"?
    I had a long day at work lol, so pardon my misgendering. Plain Punjabi is a term mostly used for Central Punjabis or Eastern Punjabis. While certain communities are exclusive to Pahari areas from my understanding, like in Potohar region. Bol_nat, amber, gudar or Rahul are experts in those regions.

    Regarding the pure bred thing, I'm going by what Bol_nat stated, that your results seem different from Awans. I have only came across mixed Awan/Rajput individuals, so he can explain it better. In the mean time I'd recommend getting your G25 coordinates from Davidski.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    I had a long day at work lol, so pardon my misgendering. Plain Punjabi is a term mostly used for Central Punjabis or Eastern Punjabis. While certain communities are exclusive to Pahari areas from my understanding, like in Potohar region. Bol_nat, amber, gudar or Rahul are experts in those regions.

    Regarding the pure bred thing, I'm going by what Bol_nat stated, that your results seem different from Awans. I have only came across mixed Awan/Rajput individuals, so he can explain it better. In the mean time I'd recommend getting your G25 coordinates from Davidski.
    Where can I find more data on Awans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdufh View Post
    Where can I find more data on Awans?
    I think Bol_nat or Amber would be the best bet. Wait for them to post in the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdufh View Post
    Where can I find more data on Awans?
    Like MDL said. Some of the Pakistani member might be able to help. You do fall in the outlier range. Your SI and NE Euro seems about average but Caucasian is elevated. Maybe Awan from your village or pind are similar. If you came and told us you were Arian people would have believed you. Your SI is a little high for those groups so there is a chance you picked up Caucasian from an Iranian/ perhaps a Baloch ancestor. Your SW Asian is also low for the region so it might be your test.
    Even I have fairly high Caucasian on Harappa.

    Component %
    S-Indian 28.01%
    Baloch 38.08%
    Caucasian 16.48%
    NE-Euro 10.83%
    Siberian 0.68%
    NE-Asian 0.09%
    Papuan 1.18%
    American 1.42%
    Beringian 0.60%
    Mediterranean 0.06%
    SW-Asian 2.07%
    San 0.01%
    E-African 0.04%
    W-African 0.45%

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    Not sure if it would help but here's my 23andme data
    meow.jpeg

    Perhaps the 3% noise is having an influence lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdufh View Post
    Not sure if it would help but here's my 23andme data
    meow.jpeg

    Perhaps the 3% noise is having an influence lol
    Your lack of high SW Asian and Med is what's throwing us off, because they're usually one of the common indicator of foriegn ancestry. Post your G25 coordinates here if you get them, it'll make it way easier to narrow it down if there is some non south asian ancestor. Agent lime explained it really well, who knows maybe Awans are related group to Kambohs and Arains, here is a Sikh Kamboh sample, you're almost like a more SI version of him:

    Punjabi Sikh Kamboh:

    Population Percent
    1 Baloch 38.25
    2 S-Indian 25.92
    3 Caucasian 20.57
    4 NE-Euro 8.62
    5 SW-Asian 2.14
    6 NE-Asian 1.41
    7 Beringian 1.25
    8 Siberian 0.9
    9 Papuan 0.67
    10 Pygmy 0.24
    11 W-African 0.02
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdufh View Post
    Not sure if it would help but here's my 23andme data
    meow.jpeg

    Perhaps the 3% noise is having an influence lol
    1/16th would be enough to give you your results. So this seems fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Your lack of high SW Asian and Med is what's throwing us off, because they're usually one of the common indicator of foriegn ancestry. Post your G25 coordinates here if you get them, it'll make it way easier to narrow it down if there is some non south asian ancestor. Agent lime explained it really well, who knows maybe Awans are related group to Kambohs and Arains, here is a Sikh Kamboh sample, you're almost like a more SI version of him:
    I suspect 2 things are happening for her. SW-Asian and Caucasian is getting confused a little(due to her test/ AncestryDNA might give her slightly different results). Her Iranian ancestor(if there was one) might actually be close to the Armenia/ Azerbaijan region with high Caucasian. It would be interesting to see if she picks up Levant on G25.
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