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    J1c in South Asia?

    I was really surprised about this one and I'm confused as to how this came to be. I can only find high frequency of J in European regions; Is this not common in South Asia?

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    Are these your results? I mean its entirely possible that there was some early migrations thousands of years ago.
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    Are these your results? I mean its entirely possible that there was some early migrations thousands of years ago.
    Yes. I haven't been able to find any other South Asian with similar stats so I'm wondering if it could be an error lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdufh View Post
    I was really surprised about this one and I'm confused as to how this came to be. I can only find high frequency of J in European regions; Is this not common in South Asia?
    South Asians have low frequencies of European mtDNA lineages (i.e. H2, U5, W1). You mainly see these lineages in the northwest region of South Asia but I'm sure other regions have these lineages in lower amounts. Most mtDNA lineages in South Asia are either AASI (my father) or Iran_N (my mother/me) but there are European lineages present in low amounts in South Asia too.
    YFull: YF72440 (FTDNA - IN41220)

    Ancestral Haplos (Punjabi Jatt):
    * Father: R2-M479 > M124 > M9710 > V1180 > SK2142 > Y1379 > Y1383 > Y154920 (xZ6135) - M5a1a-G9064A (185G)
    * Maternal Uncle: R1b-M343 > M269 > Z2103 > Z2109 > Y14416 > Y35099 > Y84821 - U7a3a-A9852G > G6150A > C15433T
    * MGMs MGF: R1a-Z93 > Y7 - ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdufh View Post
    Yes. I haven't been able to find any other South Asian with similar stats so I'm wondering if it could be an error lol
    Assuming you found out through 23 and me? Doubtful its an error. J1c is old. So somewhere in the Balkans or Middle East, J1c mutated, and my ancestor went likely up North through the Balkans or Italy into Northern or NE Europe while yours hung a right and went to South Asia. Run your raw data through Morley's predictor. You will get slightly more refined (maybe) haplogroup than what 23 and Me gives. I am J1c at 23/Me. Morley predicts J1C2p.
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    Assuming you found out through 23 and me? Doubtful its an error. J1c is old. So somewhere in the Balkans or Middle East, J1c mutated, and my ancestor went likely up North through the Balkans or Italy into Northern or NE Europe while yours hung a right and went to South Asia. Run your raw data through Morley's predictor. You will get slightly more refined (maybe) haplogroup than what 23 and Me gives. I am J1c at 23/Me. Morley predicts J1C2p.
    All of the matches say imperfect match. Is that normal?

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    This is the top one:

    1) J1b8

    Defining Markers for haplogroup J1b8:
    HVR2: 73G 152C 263G 295T 462T 489C
    CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3010A 4216C 4696C 4769G 7028T 8269A 8860G 9932A 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 13708A 14766T 15326G 15452A
    HVR1: 16069T 16126C 16145A (16222T) 16261T

    Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup J1b8 (plus extra markers):
    H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 295T 489C 10398G 12612G 13708A 16069T ⇨ J ⇨ 462T 3010A ⇨ J1 ⇨ 8269A 16145A (16222T) 16261T ⇨ J1b ⇨ 152C 4696C 9932A ⇨ J1b8 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4092A 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 14482T 16260T

    Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
    Matches(20): 73G 263G 295T 462T 489C 1438G 2706G 3010A 4696C 7028T 8860G 9932A 10398G 11251G 11719A 12612G 16069T 16126C 16145A 16261T
    Mismatches(0): (16222C)
    Flips(1): 15452T
    Extras(16): 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4092A 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 14482T 16260T
    Untested(8): 152 750 4216 4769 8269 13708 14766 15326

    But it says "Found 4274 markers at 2413 positions covering 14.6% of mtDNA." why is it not 100%?

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    I might have made a mistake. I think Morley does Y DNA.

    Use this site
    https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


    **EDIT
    OK, Im gonna step back, Im to distracted and cannot keep any of this straight. If you did use James Lick, as I believe you did, it looks good. I get the same Found 4301 markers at 2425 positions covering 14.6% of mtDNA.
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    I might have made a mistake. I think Morley does Y DNA.

    Use this site
    https://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/


    **EDIT
    OK, Im gonna step back, Im to distracted and cannot keep any of this straight. If you did use James Lick, as I believe you did, it looks good. I get the same Found 4301 markers at 2425 positions covering 14.6% of mtDNA.
    Haha, yes I used James Lick's. Ok so this fits more with Armenia, Turkey, Syria and the Maghreb.. interesting.

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    Very interesting, you're the only person I've ever seen that had the same issue as me. 23ndme says J1c but JamesLick says J1b8!



    We probably have the same maternal haplogroup, but I'm not sure if it's J1c or J1b8 because of this oddity.
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    23abc_AncestryDNA_scaled,0.110408,0.151314,-0.0290383,-0.0507112,0.0018465,-0.0156179,-0.00305514,-0.00138456,-0.00899905,0.00911181,0.00243583,-0.00149867,-0.00431116,0.00344057,-0.00773606,0.00106072,0.00195576,0.00152026,0.00251396,-0.00550264,-0.00786113,-0.00197844,0.0025882,0.00168699,0.000957998

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