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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltyam View Post
    I ran my sisters data too and she had 8% more Caucasian than me and 6% less south Asian. interestingly, most people think she's white since her skin is very pale. I have Beige skin (2 shades darker) and most people recognize me as middle eastern. this is our skin color prediction by 23andme
    I also have another sister who looks right out of North Europe, she has blond hair and green eye. and another sister who looks Pakistani, but unfortunately I don't have their genetic data.
    It's crazy how diverse Iranian genetic is, these are all my real siblings and as far as I know we don't have any non Lur or Bakhtiari ancestor (at least not in the past 400 years)
    Phenotype isn't a good way of judging genotype. An Iranian who looks Northern European and an Iranian who looks Pakistani can be very similar genetically. If they are your sisters, their genetics would be similar to yours.

    Having pale skin and blonde hair, green eyes doesn't mean looking European. If that was the case, many East Asians (who dye their hair and wear contacts) would be white passing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    More Irani results. Thoughts?

    Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 32.18
    2 Gedrosia 29.18
    3 Southwest_Asian 11.96
    4 South_Asian 9.26
    5 North_European 8.11
    6 Atlantic_Med 7.37
    7 Siberian 1.02
    8 East_African 0.92
    9 East_Asian 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Iranians (Behar) 7.89
    2 Iranian (Dodecad) 9.51
    3 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.26
    4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.4
    5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 12.7
    6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.68
    7 Turks (Behar) 20.13
    8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 21.19
    9 Turkish (Dodecad) 21.88
    10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 22.42
    11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 23.48
    12 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 23.61
    13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 24.06
    14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 24.15
    15 Lezgins (Behar) 24.17
    16 Lebanese (Behar) 24.55
    17 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 24.55
    18 Syrians (Behar) 25.2
    19 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 25.21
    20 Armenian (Dodecad) 26.1

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 36.2
    2 Gedrosia 29.89
    3 Southwest_Asian 11.82
    4 North_European 9.4
    5 Atlantic_Med 6.07
    6 South_Asian 4.93
    7 Northwest_African 1.49
    8 Siberian 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Iranians (Behar) 5.65
    2 Iranian (Dodecad) 5.72
    3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.92
    4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 7.77
    5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 13.69
    6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 14.82
    7 Turks (Behar) 17.62
    8 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.97
    9 Turkish (Dodecad) 19.77
    10 Lezgins (Behar) 20.28
    11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 20.58
    12 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 20.9
    13 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 20.9
    14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 21.28
    15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 21.84
    16 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 22.36
    17 Armenian (Dodecad) 22.9
    18 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 23.03
    19 Lebanese (Behar) 23.3
    20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 24.03
    what calculator did you use for these results

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltyam View Post
    what calculator did you use for these results
    Dodecad K12b
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    Dodecad K12b
    Mine:
    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 34.89
    2 Gedrosia 29.79
    3 Southwest_Asian 16.70
    4 North_European 7.34
    5 Atlantic_Med 5.18
    6 South_Asian 3.96
    --------------------------------

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Iranians_Behar @ 4.778672
    2 Kurd_Dodecad @ 7.299927
    3 Iranian_Dodecad @ 7.370025
    4 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 8.583961
    5 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 15.051017
    6 Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 15.779728
    7 Turks_Behar @ 20.740580
    8 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 20.916817
    9 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 22.028433
    10 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 22.150919
    11 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 22.447153
    12 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 22.666126
    13 Turkish_Dodecad @ 23.193333
    14 Lebanese_Behar @ 23.363077
    15 Syrians_Behar @ 23.645266
    16 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 24.096111
    17 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 24.975279
    18 Armenian_Dodecad @ 26.024973
    19 Jordanians_Behar @ 26.127806
    20 Lezgins_Behar @ 26.173132

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranians_Behar +50% Iranians_Behar @ 4.778672


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iraq_Jews_Behar +25% Lezgins_Behar +25% Makrani_HGDP @ 3.459046


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 Balochi_HGDP + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Lezgins_Behar + Syrians_Behar @ 1.821756


    My sister:

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasus 39.05
    2 Gedrosia 30.57
    3 Southwest_Asian 16.64
    4 North_European 5.56
    5 Atlantic_Med 3.69
    6 South_Asian 1.53
    7 Northwest_African 1.17
    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Kurd_Dodecad @ 4.402566
    2 Iranians_Behar @ 5.124154
    3 Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 5.653510
    4 Iranian_Dodecad @ 5.883391
    5 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar @ 12.949949
    6 Iranian_Jews_Behar @ 17.949564
    7 Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 18.563906
    8 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar @ 19.151880
    9 Georgia_Jews_Behar @ 19.608694
    10 Turks_Behar @ 19.743225
    11 Assyrian_Dodecad @ 19.747942
    12 Iraq_Jews_Behar @ 19.819345
    13 Armenians_15_Yunusbayev @ 21.876547
    14 Turkish_Dodecad @ 22.617636
    15 Lebanese_Behar @ 23.086452
    16 Armenian_Dodecad @ 23.105299
    17 Kumyks_Yunusbayev @ 23.314800
    18 Syrians_Behar @ 23.978123
    19 Lezgins_Behar @ 25.499905
    20 Jordanians_Behar @ 26.185236

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranians_Behar +50% Kurds_Yunusbayev @ 3.841037


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranian_Jews_Behar +25% Kumyks_Yunusbayev +25% Makrani_HGDP @ 3.112912


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Chechens_Yunusbayev + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Iraq_Jews_Behar + Makrani_HGDP @ 2.774315
    2 Chechens_Yunusbayev + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Makrani_HGDP @ 2.939888

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    https://imgur.com/nos6plm

    I calculated the average amount of Iranian and Indian ancestry Parsis have based off my relatives. All results are in that picture/imgurr link. The reason I believe this is more reliable than GEDmatch or G25 is that a lot of samples on GEDmatch and G25 are clearly Irani admixed. I did my best to only include Parsis and I even calculated an atornan (priestly class Parsi families) average to see if it varied from regular Parsis. My sample size is also very large. Whilst G25 shows Parsis to be about 20 percent Gujarati only, 23andme shows that that number is much higher. (about 1/3)

    What i found incredibly interesting is that many Parsis had European and East Asian trace amounts. However, a much larger number of Parsis (around 25 percent of my Parsi relatives) scored SSA trace (especially Somalian). This is very confusing to me because I don't understand how the Siddis could have such a large statistical impact on the Parsi population. It's probably another source but I really can't quite figure out what it is. The European could be British admixture and I have no idea where the East Asian trace could have come from but only a few Parsis scored that anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    https://imgur.com/nos6plm

    I calculated the average amount of Iranian and Indian ancestry Parsis have based off my relatives. All results are in that picture/imgurr link. The reason I believe this is more reliable than GEDmatch or G25 is that a lot of samples on GEDmatch and G25 are clearly Irani admixed. I did my best to only include Parsis and I even calculated an atornan (priestly class Parsi families) average to see if it varied from regular Parsis. My sample size is also very large. Whilst G25 shows Parsis to be about 20 percent Gujarati only, 23andme shows that that number is much higher. (about 1/3)

    What i found incredibly interesting is that many Parsis had European and East Asian trace amounts. However, a much larger number of Parsis (around 25 percent of my Parsi relatives) scored SSA trace (especially Somalian). This is very confusing to me because I don't understand how the Siddis could have such a large statistical impact on the Parsi population. It's probably another source but I really can't quite figure out what it is. The European could be British admixture and I have no idea where the East Asian trace could have come from but only a few Parsis scored that anyways.

    Do they score trace amounts of North African ancestry? MAR_Taforalt or some Berber ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by discreetmaverick View Post
    Do they score trace amounts of North African ancestry? MAR_Taforalt or some Berber ?
    Nope. It's either Somali or Broadly SSA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    Nope. It's either Somali or Broadly SSA.
    Parsis don’t have Somali ancestry.




    Edit: It seems they have no African ancestry either


    Target: Parsi_India
    Distance: 0.9126% / 0.00912593
    69.0 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    25.6 Gujarati
    5.4 Yemenite_Mahra

    Target: Parsi_Pakistan
    Distance: 0.7940% / 0.00793954
    70.8 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    24.2 Gujarati
    5.0 Yemenite_Mahra

    Source pops
     
    Gujarati,0.0513912,-0.0577328,-0.1560525,0.1108222,-0.0805842,0.0621926,-0.0002232,0.0116072,0.033,0.0188524,-0.0064955,8.24e-05,-0.0021779,0.0017408,-0.0006786,0.0003778,0.0008801,-0.0001711,-0.0014267,-0.0039332,0.0014288,-0.0033139,0.0011093,0.0011266,-0.0029757
    Iranian_Zoroastrian,0.0916275,0.1077846,-0.0632191,-0.0225219,-0.045365,0.0040439,0.0018586,-0.005318,-0.028373,-0.0168403,-0.0002509,0.000361,0.0043652,-0.0049418,0.0071253,0.0135542,-0.0035262,0.002885,0.0017313,-0.0087712,-0.0032216,-0.0037657,0.0006777,-0.003489,0.0053669
    Somali,-0.2966229,0.0934288,-0.0268511,-0.0697357,0.0009541,-0.0340804,-0.020493,0.0057689,0.1153923,-0.0796737,-0.0089475,-0.006669,0.0052179,-0.0016653,0.0247283,-0.0186156,0.0148637,-0.0019764,0.0099803,-0.0038392,0.0005991,0.004946,-0.0027362,-0.0012411,-0.00279
    Bantu_Kenya,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.0117895,0.002,0.00753 ,-0.012338,0.0265375,0.0029655,-0.0244195,-0.0023545,0.013338,-0.0320365,0.003303,-0.0352875,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.0043705,-0.0152725,0.006003,0.00287,-0.0051315,-0.0030195,0.0003615,0.0022155
    Sudanese,-0.5779179,0.0545678,0.0030419,-0.0049742,-0.0026261,-0.0019337,-0.0101839,0.0137534,0.0733831,-0.0899031,-0.0188479,0.0219105,-0.0369769,-0.0003396,0.0076185,-0.0156191,0.0180017,-0.0113682,0.0194245,-0.0184254,-0.0006737,0.0046822,-0.0033358,-0.0034782,0.0036403
    Yemenite_Mahra,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
    Last edited by drobbah; 06-20-2021 at 02:35 PM.
    FTDNA myorigins 3.0:
    Eritrea, Northern Ethiopia & Somalia
    94%
    Yemenite Jewish
    6%

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Parsis donít have Somali ancestry.




    Edit: It seems they have no African ancestry either


    Target: Parsi_India
    Distance: 0.9126% / 0.00912593
    69.0 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    25.6 Gujarati
    5.4 Yemenite_Mahra

    Target: Parsi_Pakistan
    Distance: 0.7940% / 0.00793954
    70.8 Iranian_Zoroastrian
    24.2 Gujarati
    5.0 Yemenite_Mahra

    Source pops
     
    Gujarati,0.0513912,-0.0577328,-0.1560525,0.1108222,-0.0805842,0.0621926,-0.0002232,0.0116072,0.033,0.0188524,-0.0064955,8.24e-05,-0.0021779,0.0017408,-0.0006786,0.0003778,0.0008801,-0.0001711,-0.0014267,-0.0039332,0.0014288,-0.0033139,0.0011093,0.0011266,-0.0029757
    Iranian_Zoroastrian,0.0916275,0.1077846,-0.0632191,-0.0225219,-0.045365,0.0040439,0.0018586,-0.005318,-0.028373,-0.0168403,-0.0002509,0.000361,0.0043652,-0.0049418,0.0071253,0.0135542,-0.0035262,0.002885,0.0017313,-0.0087712,-0.0032216,-0.0037657,0.0006777,-0.003489,0.0053669
    Somali,-0.2966229,0.0934288,-0.0268511,-0.0697357,0.0009541,-0.0340804,-0.020493,0.0057689,0.1153923,-0.0796737,-0.0089475,-0.006669,0.0052179,-0.0016653,0.0247283,-0.0186156,0.0148637,-0.0019764,0.0099803,-0.0038392,0.0005991,0.004946,-0.0027362,-0.0012411,-0.00279
    Bantu_Kenya,-0.600986,0.062455,0.014708,0.0117895,0.002,0.00753 ,-0.012338,0.0265375,0.0029655,-0.0244195,-0.0023545,0.013338,-0.0320365,0.003303,-0.0352875,0.025921,-0.015255,-0.0043705,-0.0152725,0.006003,0.00287,-0.0051315,-0.0030195,0.0003615,0.0022155
    Sudanese,-0.5779179,0.0545678,0.0030419,-0.0049742,-0.0026261,-0.0019337,-0.0101839,0.0137534,0.0733831,-0.0899031,-0.0188479,0.0219105,-0.0369769,-0.0003396,0.0076185,-0.0156191,0.0180017,-0.0113682,0.0194245,-0.0184254,-0.0006737,0.0046822,-0.0033358,-0.0034782,0.0036403
    Yemenite_Mahra,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
    Genoplot's account already ran a 3 way model before and many Parsis did show some African ancestry. I think it's too much of a coincidence that so many people showed trace SSA. If 23andme was just assigning random traces, why would it be SSA always? I guess I'll wait till the next update to see.
    http://imgur.com/a/qcZEKhu
    This study shows the traces of African as well.

    Anyways, thanks for your input.

    Do you know how the East Asian could have come about? Some of my relatives were scoring 1-3 percent of it.
    Last edited by Azbuzz; 06-20-2021 at 03:18 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    Genoplot's account already ran a 3 way model before and many Parsis did show some African ancestry. I think it's too much of a coincidence that so many people showed trace SSA. If 23andme was just assigning random traces, why would it be SSA always? I guess I'll wait till the next update to see.
    http://imgur.com/a/qcZEKhu
    This study shows the traces of African as well.

    Anyways, thanks for your input.

    Do you know how the East Asian could have come about? Some of my relatives were scoring 1-3 percent of it.
    I don't think there's any real evidence of African ancestry let alone specifically Somali ancestry in Zoroastrians from India/Pakistan

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