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    Quote Originally Posted by Buxoro View Post
    Semitic are based on Levantines - Lebanese and Samaritans. It works here as a proxy to your mesopotamian middle eastern ancestry.
    Turkmens and Tajiks western asian heritage is pretty much similar to caucasus, much more so any Iranian do besides Azeris and Mazandaranis. No surprise that they score more caucasian than you.
    Secondly Turkmens in general have less gedrosia than any Iranian.
    I find that extremely hard to believe. Tajik and turkmens are majority baloch with the rest being steppe and turkic admixture, not to mention their elevated south asian admixture.

    Northern, western and central Iranians are majority Iranian Chalc which is a much western shifted sample than it's predecessor, elevated anatolian and chg. The closest you'll get to the Caucasus than baloch. This is nothing a gedmatch can't solve.
     

    Target: Xeon_scaled
    Distance: 2.7735% / 0.02773461

    33.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    20.6 Levant_PPNC
    18.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    14.4 GEO_CHG
    13.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

    Target: Xeon_scaled
    Distance: 2.2807% / 0.02280652

    37.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    24.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.4 Levant_PPNB
    11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    4.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    4.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    1.4 Nganassan
    0.6 MAR_Taforalt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    I find that extremely hard to believe. Tajik and turkmens are majority baloch with the rest being steppe and turkic admixture, not to mention their elevated south asian admixture.

    Northern, western and central Iranians are majority Iranian Chalc which is a much western shifted sample than it's predecessor, elevated anatolian and chg. The closest you'll get to the Caucasus than baloch. This is nothing a gedmatch can't solve.
    Majority baloch? How come? On the g25 most Tajik individual samples score no more or leas baloch than iranians, with the main score being northern caucasus Dagestani (Kaitag, Lak, Darginian etc) along with less turkic, north east euro and small south asian.
    Most iranians (especially Lurs) score mainly assyrian, mountain jew, georgian jew, armenian + some tend to even score substantial Samaritan/Palestinian. Obviously western asian ancestry of iranians are more middle eastern - like rather than caucasus which is logical.
    On the ancient runs Tajiks do score mainly TKM, southern UZB, TJK ancients, which are the closest to modern day Balochis but they are not the same and the distance between these samples and modern Balochis are quite high.
    Last edited by Buxoro; 09-29-2020 at 06:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buxoro View Post
    Majority baloch? How come? On the g25 most Tajik individual samples score no more or leas baloch than iranians, with the main score being northern caucasus Dagestani (Kaitag, Lak, Darginian etc) along with less turkic, north east euro and small south asian.
    Most iranians (especially Lurs) score mainly assyrian, mountain jew, georgian jew, armenian + some tend to even score substantial Samaritan/Palestinian. Obviously western asian ancestry of iranians are more middle eastern - like rather than caucasus which is logical.
    On the ancient runs Tajiks do score mainly TKM, southern UZB, TJK ancients, which are the closest to modern day Balochis but they are not the same and the distance between these samples and modern Balochis are quite high.
    I seriously fail to see this "middle eastern / Semitic" affinity which supposedly Iranians have according to your logic. The closest population to me, outside of Iran are Caucasians and Turks.
    I dont see any levant population what so ever, except for assyrians who are rather different than levant populations. Its literally illogical for anyone to claim that central asians are closer to Caucasians than Iranians whom are immediate neighbours. The only overlap between a tajik and a chechen for example would be the high steppe admixture which Iranians lack. thats the only overlapping shift.

    according to your logic, Azeris both from Iran and the republic must be closer to levant populations than Caucasians ones since I heavily overlap with them on g25 and gedmatch. but this isnt the reality is it?

    Either way, chg seems to be more native to south Caucasus than the north.

    1 West_Asian 42.08
    2 East_Med 29.86
    3 South_Asian 6.39
    4 Red_Sea 6.36
    5 West_Med 6.29
    6 North_Atlantic 3.34
    7 Baltic 2.98
    8 Sub-Saharan 1.04
    9 Siberian 0.95
    10 Oceanian 0.69

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kurdish 2.57
    2 Iranian 4.76
    3 Azeri 7.82
    4 Armenian 9.97
    5 Georgian_Jewish 10.75
    6 Turkish 13.15
    7 Georgian 13.69
    8 Assyrian 13.82
    9 Abhkasian 14.79
    10 Kumyk 14.97
    11 Iranian_Jewish 15.9
    12 Adygei 16.21
    13 Kurdish_Jewish 16.42
    14 Ossetian 16.71
    15 Balkar 18.37
    16 Turkmen 18.37
    17 North_Ossetian 18.65
    18 Kabardin 19.5
    19 Lezgin 19.88
    20 Chechen 20.35

    Here's a tajik Pamiri sample for example,
    You can clearly see the baloch and south central asian affinity

    [1,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "0"
    [2,] "Pashtun" "7.357"
    [3,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "9.2613"
    [4,] "Tadjik" "9.688"
    [5,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "16.6862"
    [6,] "Pathan" "18.4692"
    [7,] "Parsi" "19.037"
    [8,] "Burusho" "19.132"
    [9,] "Iranian" "23.3765"
    [10,] "Uzbek" "24.3134"
    [11,] "Jatt-Haryana" "24.596"
    [12,] "Jatt-Pahari" "24.9582"
    [13,] "Turkmen" "25.0472"
    [14,] "Makrani" "25.1914"
    [15,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "25.8254"
    [16,] "Urkarah" "26.593"
    [17,] "Lak" "26.7623"
    [18,] "Sindhi" "26.8825"
    [19,] "Tabassaran" "27.5427"
    [20,] "Balochi" "27.6667"
    [21,] "Stalskoe" "27.9131"
    [22,] "Avar" "27.9344"
    [23,] "Kurd" "27.9772"
    [24,] "Lezgins" "28.0579"
    [25,] "Azeri" "28.8006"
    [26,] "Azeri_Dagestan" "28.8726"
    [27,] "Baku_WGA" "29.3521"
    [28,] "Lezgin" "29.5922"
    [29,] "Kurds" "29.7181"
    [30,] "Jatt-Muslim" "30.2173"
    [31,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "30.4158"
    [32,] "Uzbekistan_Jew" "30.4507"
    [33,] "Mumbai_Jews" "30.8112"
    [34,] "Ain_Touta_WGA" "30.8126"
    [35,] "Pakistani" "30.9563"
    [36,] "Uzbek_WGA" "31.0916"
    [37,] "Mishar" "31.5589"
    [38,] "Uyghur" "31.7127"
    [39,] "Cochin_Jew" "32.1056"
    [40,] "Nogai" "32.2401"
    Last edited by Xeon; 09-29-2020 at 10:53 AM.
     

    Target: Xeon_scaled
    Distance: 2.7735% / 0.02773461

    33.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    20.6 Levant_PPNC
    18.4 TUR_Barcin_N
    14.4 GEO_CHG
    13.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.4 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N

    Target: Xeon_scaled
    Distance: 2.2807% / 0.02280652

    37.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    24.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    17.4 Levant_PPNB
    11.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    4.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    4.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    1.4 Nganassan
    0.6 MAR_Taforalt

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    I think calling Iranians Middle Eastern ancestry as Semetic is silly. There is some overleap due to sharing Neolothic ancestry(Iran_N,Anatolian_N,Levant_N) but that does not make Iranians some how Semetic.

    Iranians tend to cluster closer with North Caucasians then to Levantine groups as they both share high Iran_N ancestry.

    Some West Iranians like Kurds and Lors might get some Assyrian similarties that is simply do to Iranification of Assyrians and non semetic groups like Kassites,Elamites which gives some extra Levant like ancestry but not as high as some might think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountain View Post
    I dont mean known ancestry. They are neighbouring kurds, one of them closest to Kurds and from provinces with a lot of Kurds.
    Google southwest Anatolia.

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    So what is his ancestry then? Turkified talysh or some other crap claim?
    Straw man fallacy.
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    Please avoid reactionary comments, and keep the tone civil.

    @Mountain, "Southwestern Anatolia" refers to portions of the Mediterranean region in Turkey. Kurds and Anatolian Turks (and other West Asians/Caucasians) have overlaps in certain admixture components so there's bound to be some sort of similarity, atleast on paper without ancestry from one or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    Please avoid reactionary comments, and keep the tone civil.

    @Mountain, "Southwestern Anatolia" refers to portions of the Mediterranean region in Turkey. Kurds and Anatolian Turks (and other West Asians/Caucasians) have overlaps in certain admixture components so there's bound to be some sort of similarity, atleast on paper without ancestry from one or the other.
    I know. Read my last post. I misread it. I feel no need to discuss further.

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