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    South Asian with 25% NE Euro / Caucasian component?

    Could there be a South Asian person with 25% Ne Euro and 25% Component in South Asia? Is this almost impossible? or is it possible that some where in North Pakistan or North India there might be a person with 25% Ne Euro and 25% Caucasian?

    I am assuming these types of number were probably common few thousands of years in the Northern Plains of South Asia, but what about today?

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    many Nuristanis have distinctly European features, blue and green eyes, and blond or red hair. Some of these groups in Kata, Mumo, Kom, Khsto-Dungulio, Vasi, Kalasha, Tregami, Sa Nu, Gramsa Na, Ashku might have in those range. There is disagreement over where these people came from.
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    If we’re talking ancient admixture I highly doubt it. What percent Euro was Sintashta MLBA itself? I wouldn’t be surprised if Sintashta MLBA itself was around 25% Euro, if we’re conservative. So a South Asian pop with 80-100% steppe admixture haha. Someone bring out the g25 calculators

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    If we’re talking ancient admixture I highly doubt it. What percent Euro was Sintashta MLBA itself? I wouldn’t be surprised if Sintashta MLBA itself was around 25% Euro, if we’re conservative. So a South Asian pop with 80-100% steppe admixture haha. Someone bring out the g25 calculators
    I've seen Sintashta or Srubnaya run through HarappaWorld or admixture calcs before. I believe they were in the 50-55% range for NE/North Euro. The rest was mostly a combo of Baloch and Mediterranean I believe. Most of these western steppe cultures can be modeled in admixture calcs as modern Northeastern Euros with a strong Balochi/Brahui shift.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 08-04-2020 at 06:26 AM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    I've seen Sintashta or Srubnaya run through HarappaWorld or admixture calcs before. I believe they were in the 50-55% range for NE/North Euro. The rest was mostly a combo of Baloch and Mediterranean I believe.
    Ok that was my first guess then somehow I thought it was a bit much when I thought of the rest of the components. So a South Asian pop with roughly 50% steppe MLBA admixture would be needed to reach 25% NE Euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    Ok that was my first guess then somehow I thought it was a bit much when I thought of the rest of the components. So a South Asian pop with roughly 50% steppe MLBA admixture would be needed to reach 25% NE Euro.
    Unfortunately, admixture calcs don't correlate one to one with G25. But if you're playing with numbers, it's probably 25%+ NE Euro along with a good chunk (4-5%) of Mediterranean. The highest Steppe Pamiris (Rushan I believe) don't even hit 50% AFAIK. They're in the mid to high 40's.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 08-04-2020 at 06:28 AM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by misanthropy View Post
    If we’re talking ancient admixture I highly doubt it. What percent Euro was Sintashta MLBA itself? I wouldn’t be surprised if Sintashta MLBA itself was around 25% Euro, if we’re conservative. So a South Asian pop with 80-100% steppe admixture haha. Someone bring out the g25 calculators
    how do explain some people scoring over 20% NE Euro even today then? this is ancient admixture. I think 25-35% NE Euro and Caucasian component must have been common in north south asia lets say 1000-2000 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    how do explain some people scoring over 20% NE Euro even today then? this is ancient admixture. I think 25-35% NE Euro and Caucasian component must have been common in north south asia lets say 1000-2000 years ago
    It's the same reason why you have genetic diversity in a village. Caste system has allowed this preservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    many Nuristanis have distinctly European features, blue and green eyes, and blond or red hair. Some of these groups in Kata, Mumo, Kom, Khsto-Dungulio, Vasi, Kalasha, Tregami, Sa Nu, Gramsa Na, Ashku might have in those range. There is disagreement over where these people came from.
    Rufosity is completely absent in them and Kalash unless its henna dyed I have seen it more in Pashtuns and Pashais sporadically. Blondism is more common Kalash related groups . Colored eyes is not limited to them and is quite prevalent among neighboring groups. Gingers are still rare , its more common in children and almost always turns chataigne or auburn with age, I had flaming red hair till 8 thankfully it became auburn when I hit puberty.

    In context , of the article CM posted of the Indo Aryan/Nuristani split from Iranic at 2700 BC, 1/3 of early Fatyanovo people being blond/blue eyed with no observed rufosity it ties in with what I said earlier. I don't think there is any disagreement with where they came from, Kalashum progenitors arrived at the same time as the Indo Aryan Kalash variants did.

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