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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Even I did get 1,xx percent Proto-Bulgar with that model and I never get anything East Asian or generally non-West Eurasian. I do get some Caucasian regularly though, or alternatively high Balkan, so in a way this makes sense:




    Those Proto-Bulgar coordinates are totally Caucasian/Alan-related.
    Yes, because ancient Bulgars carry both Iranic and Turkic genetic, they were heavily admixed with Alans, those Proto-Bulgar coordinates can be modelled as 75% Iranic and 25% Turkic
    Last edited by CyrylBojarski; 11-22-2020 at 10:20 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    I know you want to think Bulgarians are full Paleo-Balkan, deal with that, Bulgarians have Slavic and Irano-Turkic admix

    By "Slavic" you mean Baltic and Asian.
    Because the Bulgarians were the first Slavs (according to the archaic analytical language structure of Bulgarian) and they evidently Slavonized the Northeast Asians, including your Polish ancestors.
    That Turkic admixture can come only from your Asian ancestors which spoke non IE language before to meet The Bulgarians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DgidguBidgu View Post
    By "Slavic" you mean Baltic and Asian.
    Because the Bulgarians were the first Slavs (according to the archaic analytical language structure of Bulgarian) and they evidently Slavonized the Northeast Asians, including your Polish ancestors.
    That Turkic admixture can come only from your Asian ancestors which spoke non IE language before to meet The Bulgarians!
    Are you serious? Poles are 0% asians, almost fully Slavs with some genes from East Germanic tribes
    23andme: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 1,2% Western Asian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

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    Quote Originally Posted by DgidguBidgu View Post
    By "Slavic" you mean Baltic and Asian.
    Because the Bulgarians were the first Slavs (according to the archaic analytical language structure of Bulgarian) and they evidently Slavonized the Northeast Asians, including your Polish ancestors.
    That Turkic admixture can come only from your Asian ancestors which spoke non IE language before to meet The Bulgarians!
    I recommend you watching this video



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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    Forceful resettlement of Anatolians and Middle Easterners was performed by the government during Byzantine times into Balkan areas controlled by the Empire. So if those people were not Greek speaking at arrival, they had to Hellenise first. Such recent admixture among Bulgarian is probably indirect, however there could be regional variations remaining from Early Medieval times.
    Regarding Thrace, the lowland was depopulated at the time of Ottoman arrival. The reason was the Crusades and the raids of the Second Bulgarian empire at the time of Kaloyan, which is documented in history. Further it could be also the Ottoman raids and the Big plague epidemics in 14th c. For that reason the Ottomans settled there Crimean Tatars and Turkomans at the very beginning of the conquest. For several centuries lowland Thrace(excluding the cities) was almost completely Turkified until Bulgarians and some other ethnicities started coming down the mountains.
    From which ethnicity from Byzantine Empire Bulgarians have the highest level of genetic admixture?
    23andme: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 1,2% Western Asian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

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    The best fit for Bulgarians

    Target: Bulgarian
    Distance: 1.0822% / 0.01082211
    50.0 Slav
    20.2 BGR_IA
    20.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    6.8 GRC_Mycenaean
    2.8 Turkic

    Slav is Slavic DNA (CZE_Early_Slav and KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro)

    BGR_IA is Thracian

    TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA is Byzantine admix from Anatolians

    GRC_Mycenaean is Greek

    Turkic (RUS_Nomad, Onoghur sample from Great Bulgaria)




    Myself
    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 2.1344% / 0.02134435
    86.0 Slav
    13.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    1.0 Turkic
    Last edited by CyrylBojarski; 11-28-2020 at 12:25 PM.
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    Question to Bulgarians but also Macedonians,

    How much this subclade is found among Bulgarians/Macedonians? https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L241/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    Question to Bulgarians but also Macedonians,

    How much this subclade is found among Bulgarians/Macedonians? https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L241/
    There is only one person in the Bulgarian DNA project, who is proven L241 by SNP testing, but there are a few strongly predicted. DYS464a,b = 16,16 is a strong indicator for this branch. Just now came the 111 STR for another person, who is waiting Big Y. He is very close to this branch:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A7065/
    There are also a couple of Bulgarians in the Balkan Mountain project proven FGC76265*.

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