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    Interesting. Tangentially, I’m quite familiar with the House of Wettin history, as an 80 year old family story had my paternal line descending from this line...dna testing disproved this story in 2012.
    Prior to this, I had my doubts as to the veracity of the family story. But to be safe I subtly incorporated “Wettin” aspects into my father’s registered arms (registered in 2002) at the American College of Heraldry. Instead of being genetically connected, I now believe my great grandfather might have been named after 2 recently deceased House of Wettin princes (1 died in mid 1880s, the other in the early 1890’s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Interesting. Tangentially, I’m quite familiar with the House of Wettin history, as an 80 year old family story had my paternal line descending from this line...dna testing disproved this story in 2012.
    Prior to this, I had my doubts as to the veracity of the family story. But to be safe I subtly incorporated “Wettin” aspects into my father’s registered arms (registered in 2002) at the American College of Heraldry. Instead of being genetically connected, I now believe my great grandfather might have been named after 2 recently deceased House of Wettin princes (1 died in mid 1880s, the other in the early 1890’s).
    Good story!!!!

    What is your take on the paternal background of the Wettins then? I know there are more then one possible "fathers" but I'm more interested in the established group of "tribal" nobility they came from not being "up starts or new nobility or at least described that way in sources"... Combining that with Robertians connection to a tribal groups around Worms... I really want to see some aDNA from the roman and Germanic migration period around there as I know there are a ton of them right aka migration period burials... We have a u106 z305 in Altenerding a phase one burial... I'd love to see that whole cemetery tested!!!

    So going from that line of thought... If they were already established nobility in their tribal groups... Then we should see some matching with well furnished burials etc...from those areas... If they exist. If they were a part of the Frankish hmm horizon (the Franks took in nobility from other groups as well - or are Frankish themselves)... We should see some in the aDNA burials when they test them!

    Ultimately if they show up in roman and migration period burials, but not before then they were not there when the tribes moved in there... So were likely from north of there etc. The only thing I can think of at this point is the Frisian U106 burial that was buried in the middle bronze age transition and different from the breakers there and was technically a tumulus. Did some tumulus stay up north and get involved in Nordic age stuff? Hmm? Because the next U106 burials in the timeline are the Driffield Terrace guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bollox79 View Post
    What is your take on the paternal background of the Wettins then?...

    Theodoric I (10th century; German: Dietrich, also known as Thierry) was a nobleman in the Duchy of Saxony.
    ...The oldest member of the House of Wettin who is known for certain is Theodoric I of Wettin, also known as Dietrich, Thiedericus, and Thierry I of Liesgau (died c. 982). He was most probably based in the Liesgau (located at the western edge of the Harz). Around 1000, the family acquired Wettin Castle
    I’m not sure we know more than they came from old Saxony in present day NW Germany. ie the Saxon tribe.
    But if the House of Wettin was relatively stationary they could have also been from other tribes.
    These earliest known tribal Saxons inhabited "Northern Albingia", a region bordering the northern bank of the mouth of River Elbe in what is now Western Holstein. As land became scarce, the Saxon population began to expand southward where it absorbed indigenous populations such as Cherusci, Chamavi and Chatti, and remaining portions of the Langobardi (Lombards) and Suebi.
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