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    R1b Z2103 in Britain

    I have tested with yseq and living dna and I am R1b Z2103. As I live in England, have a Anglo Saxon surname and can trace my direct male line back to the 1600s in England what is the current theory of how Z2103 got to the UK? I am aware that it is rare in England and is of Eastern Europe origin. Did it arrive in the neolithic for example and just didn't mutate like r1b L21 or is it a later arrival? Where is it most commonly found today?

    My results areQuick results summary:
    R1b-M343 Orientation Panel
    P312 C-
    L51 G-
    U106 C-
    Z2103 C+
    M343 A+
    M269 C+
    R1b-Z2103 +
    Z2106 G-
    CTS9219 G-
    FGC14589 T+
    Y19434 C-
    FGC14625 G-
    FGC14590 -
    L943 -
    Y18687 -

    Many thanks

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    Descendant of a romanised Illyrian/Thracian soldier would be my guess. Don't know how accurate this map is.


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    Did you upload to YFULL?

    No I haven't. How do I do that and why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Descendant of a romanised Illyrian/Thracian soldier would be my guess. Don't know how accurate this map is.

    I've heard that idea before. I believe Britainsdna lead Alistair Moffat believes that 1 million men in the UK have DNA from the soldiers of Rome Inc R1b Z2103.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Did you upload to YFULL?

    No I haven't. How do I do that and why?
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    You can upload your .bam file or .csv (or both), it's a very large database and one of your best bets for a match.

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    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    So is r1b z2103 a Greek strain of r1b or balkan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    So is r1b z2103 a Greek strain of r1b or balkan?
    You cannot assign modern ethnicities to clades as old as that. Z2103 is found in Eastern Euro., the Balkans, Greece and Turkey, Armenia, the Caucasus, etc.
    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    OK. So if I wanted to know what group of people I most likely descend from eg Thracian, Yamanya, Celt etc this isn't possible, ie too much of a guess?

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    Several years ago I speculated* that it had to do with wine culture moving west, from the Caucasus to the Mediterranean, after Early Farming had taken hold. So Z2103 didn't migrate with the ancestors of the L51 side of R1b. Those dairy pastoralists, boatmen, metal prospectors, cowboys and so on came a little later -- and mostly with separate language families (i.e., separate from Greek and Albanian). Also, from "the steppe" largely around the north side of the Carpathians, not up the Danube through the Iron Gates -- or other routes, facilitated by rivers, from the Black Sea to the Hungarian Plain.

    Not that I've been proven right, but it's one framework for thinking about it.

    *. https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....ll=1#post44053
    Last edited by razyn; 08-31-2020 at 12:23 AM. Reason: Found url for my speculative link of Z2103 with grapes.

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