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    R1b Z2103 in Britain

    I have tested with yseq and living dna and I am R1b Z2103. As I live in England, have a Anglo Saxon surname and can trace my direct male line back to the 1600s in England what is the current theory of how Z2103 got to the UK? I am aware that it is rare in England and is of Eastern Europe origin. Did it arrive in the neolithic for example and just didn't mutate like r1b L21 or is it a later arrival? Where is it most commonly found today?

    My results areQuick results summary:
    R1b-M343 Orientation Panel
    P312 C-
    L51 G-
    U106 C-
    Z2103 C+
    M343 A+
    M269 C+
    R1b-Z2103 +
    Z2106 G-
    CTS9219 G-
    FGC14589 T+
    Y19434 C-
    FGC14625 G-
    FGC14590 -
    L943 -
    Y18687 -

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    Descendant of a romanised Illyrian/Thracian soldier would be my guess. Don't know how accurate this map is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Descendant of a romanised Illyrian/Thracian soldier would be my guess. Don't know how accurate this map is.

    I've heard that idea before. I believe Britainsdna lead Alistair Moffat believes that 1 million men in the UK have DNA from the soldiers of Rome Inc R1b Z2103.

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    Did you upload to YFULL?

    No I haven't. How do I do that and why?
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Did you upload to YFULL?

    No I haven't. How do I do that and why?
    Thanks.
    You can upload your .bam file or .csv (or both), it's a very large database and one of your best bets for a match.

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    So is r1b z2103 a Greek strain of r1b or balkan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    So is r1b z2103 a Greek strain of r1b or balkan?
    You cannot assign modern ethnicities to clades as old as that. Z2103 is found in Eastern Euro., the Balkans, Greece and Turkey, Armenia, the Caucasus, etc.
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    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    OK. So if I wanted to know what group of people I most likely descend from eg Thracian, Yamanya, Celt etc this isn't possible, ie too much of a guess?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    OK. So if I wanted to know what group of people I most likely descend from eg Thracian, Yamanya, Celt etc this isn't possible, ie too much of a guess?
    Along time ago I speculated that we are not connected in anyway with the Pan-Indian-Eastern European aka Corded Ware L51+ R1a+ cluster.
    We form a totally separate group of cultures. Our own horses(yet to be proven by genetics), metal tanged daggers, hammer bone pins, spiral copper and silver hair rings, pottery. Cultural burial statues like-The Kernosovskiy idol (Керносовский идол), dated to the mid 3rd millennium BC.(types of weapons, animals and other graphic scenes)

    Relief
    face: deep-set eyes, nose, chin; depicts a mustache with the ends down.
    weapons: bow and arrow, mace ;
    tools: axes, a hoe , a spoon for pouring metal, a casting mold.
    animals - a bull, two horses, turtles.
    others: in the center of the stele - a man with a tail chases two animals, on the side edge - a phallic scene - a man (with a penis) and a woman at the time of coitus.
    ornamental patterns: rows of triangles, zigzag lines.
    On the sides of the stele, in individual drawings and whole compositions, there are, in all likelihood, scenes from myths dedicated to the times of the creation and development of the world. Zoomorphic features can be traced in the appearance of the Kernos Idol: a tail on the back, a frequently occurring image of a bull on the surface of the statue itself.




    You have to refine your snp downstream R1b-Z2103+ very broad group.

    Yamnaya-Z2103+ Afanasievo-Z2103+ Poltavka Z2103+ Catacombe Z2103+ Eastern Bell Beaker Z2103+ Vucedol Z2103+ North West Iran Z2103+ Armenian Z2103+Latini-Italic tribe Z2103+ Early Sarmatians Z2103+ (Outlier in Sintashta culture)
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