Haplogroup Distribution in Romania and Republic of Moldova

[Dorkymon]

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

Here are the results on regional level:

Haplogroup	Oltenia	Muntenia	Dobrogea	Wallachia (Oltenia,Muntenia and Dobrogea)	Transylvania	Moldavia	Republic of Moldova
R1b	15%	13%	18%	14%	19%	12%	11%
R1a	20%	13%	8%	16%	19.5%	20.5%	30%
I2	26%	24%	38%	26%	25%	31.5%	29%
J2	13%	19%	8%	16%	14%	14%	5%
E1b1b	15.5%	16%	8%	16%	12%	10%	14%
J1	1%	2%	0%	1%	1%	1%	2%
G2a	2%	6%	13%	5%	2%	3.5%	0.5%
I1	5.5%	3%	0%	4%	3%	5%	3%
N1c	0.5%	1%	5%	1%	1.5%	2%	3%
T	0.5%	1%	0%	0.5%	2%	0%	1%
Q1	0%	1%	0%	0.5%	1%	0%	0.5%
E-V22	1%	0%	2%	0%	0%	0%	0%
H	0%	1%	0%	0%	0%	0.5%	0%
Total	234	268	39	541	315	166	212

County level (only academic sources; not shown below, but included in regional totals are those from FTDNA projects, Yfull and 23andme)
Muntenia (Greater Wallachia)

Haplogroup	Calarasi	Arges	Dambovita	Ialomita	Teleorman	Prahova	Giurgiu	Bucuresti
R1b	8%	33%	0%	0%	29%	8%	20%	14%
R1a	13%	17%	0%	50%	0%	8%	20%	13%
I2	27%	17%	33%	0%	43%	35%	27%	15%
J2	13%	33%	33%	0%	0%	18%	24%	18%
E1b1b	25%	0%	17%	0%	14%	18%	7%	19%
J1	2%	0%	0%	0%	0%	3%	0%	3%
G2a	6%	0%	17%	0%	14%	10%	0%	6%
I1	6%	0%	0%	0%	0%	3%	0%	5%
N1c	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	1%
T	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	2%	2%
Q1	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	2%
E-V22	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
H	0%	0%	0%	50%	0%	0%	0%	1%
Total	48	6	6	2	7	40	45	104

Oltenia (Lesser Wallachia)

Haplogroup	Mehedinti	Dolj	Olt
R1b	21%	13%	15%
R1a	17%	23%	5%
I2	28%	24%	45%
J2	21%	12%	10%
E1b1b	14%	16%	15%
J1	0%	1%	0%
G2a	0%	2%	10%
I1	0%	7%	0%
N1c	0%	1%	0%
T	0%	1%	0%
Q1	0%	1%	0%
E-V22	0%	1%	0%
H	0%	0%	0%
Total	29	182	20

Transylvania

Haplogroup	Maramures	Bihor	Arad	Alba	Cluj	Brasov
R1b	24%	19%	33%	30%	11%	10%
R1a	17%	18%	13%	19%	29%	14%
I2	21%	30%	17%	33%	16%	28%
J2	31%	12%	23%	0%	9%	16%
E1b1b	3%	12%	3%	11%	18%	18%
J1	0%	1%	0%	0%	2%	4%
G2a	3%	0%	0%	0%	5%	0%
I1	0%	1%	0%	0%	5%	8%
N1c	0%	2%	3%	0%	2%	0%
T	0%	1%	7%	7%	2%	0%
Q1	0%	3%	0%	0%	0%	2%
E-V22	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
H	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
Total	29	105	30	27	55	50

Moldavia

Haplogroup	Vrancea	Neamt	Suceava
R1b	16%	8%	43%
R1a	16%	24%	14%
I2	23%	42%	14%
J2	16%	11%	14%
E1b1b	16%	7%	0%
J1	2%	0%	0%
G2a	2%	4%	0%
I1	7%	2%	0%
N1c	2%	1%	14%
T	0%	0%	0%
Q1	0%	0%	0%
E-V22	0%	0%	0%
H	0%	1%	0%
Total	44	89	7

Republic of Moldova

Haplogroup	Stefan Voda	Drochia	Chisinau
R1b	15%	17%	6%
R1a	37%	22%	36%
I2	21%	28%	37%
J2	4%	4%	3%
E1b1b	13%	13%	10%
J1	6%	2%	0%
G2a	0%	2%	0%
I1	3%	7%	0%
N1c	1%	2%	6%
T	0%	2%	3%
Q1	0%	2%	0%
E-V22	0%	0%	0%
H	0%	0%	0%
Total	71	54	70

With minorities

Haplogroup	Harghita (Hungarians)	Bihor (Slovaks)	Bihor (Germans)	Bihor (Roma)	Transnistria (Ukrainians)	Constanta (Vlachs)
R1b	25%	6%	56%	0%	21%	33%
R1a	19%	60%	0%	0%	40%	2%
I2	44%	11%	31%	0%	21%	19%
J2	0%	6%	0%	0%	8%	38%
E1b1b	6%	9%	6%	3%	0%	7%
J1	0%	3%	0%	0%	2%	0%
G2a	0%	3%	3%	0%	0%	0%
I1	0%	0%	3%	0%	4%	0%
N1c	3%	3%	0%	0%	6%	0%
T	3%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
Q1	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
E-V22	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%	0%
H	0%	0%	0%	97%	0%	0%
Total	36	35	32	35	53	42

I personally think that J2 primarily and some R-L23 secondarily are the haplogroups of those Imperial Romans responsible for the romanisation of the local Dacians/Getae/Thracians, the latter whom were probably of E-V13, G2a and non-CTS10228 I2 stock. Most of R1a and I2 (since 95%+ falls under I-CTS10228) is probably related to Slavic migrations.

[Dorkymon]

Before JMan asks me, about 65% of J2 falls under J2a-M410 and 35% under J2b-M241.
In a study about the individuals bearing the "Basarab" surname, the name of the founding house of Wallachia, which is thought to be of Cuman origin, most of the individuals (like 90% of J2) were J2b-M241. This is in stark contrast to the spread among regular folk, where J2a seems to dominate.

[Kelmendasi]

Before JMan asks me, about 65% of J2 falls under J2a-M410 and 35% under J2b-M241.
In a study about the individuals bearing the "Basarab" surname, the name of the founding house of Wallachia, which is thought to be of Cuman origin, most of the individuals (like 90% of J2) were J2b-M241. This is in stark contrast to the spread among regular folk, where J2a seems to dominate.

If I am not mistaken, those Romanians more specifically belong to J2b-Y22894 (BY101837). So far on Yfull this cluster is represented by a Greek from Thessaloniki and a Bosniak, they share a TMRCA of ~500 ybp. However, Albanians also belong to this group and I believe some are in fact closest to those Romanians, and that they may form an older branch. The J2b-Y22894 Albanians are primarily from Kosovo, the Presheva/Preševo Valley, and northeastern Albania (Dibër and Kukës).

[Crank]

If I am not mistaken, those Romanians more specifically belong to J2b-Y22894 (BY101837). So far on Yfull this cluster is represented by a Greek from Thessaloniki and a Bosniak, they share a TMRCA of ~500 ybp. However, Albanians also belong to this group and I believe some are in fact closest to those Romanians, and that they may form an older branch. The J2b-Y22894 Albanians are primarily from Kosovo, the Presheva/Preševo Valley, and northeastern Albania (Dibër and Kukës).

Romanians most likely originally originated south of the Danube, somewhere in the Dardania region, where they lived next to Albanians until they migrated north. Their language is connected to Albanian. This is also the position Noel Malcolm holds. And a group of Vlachs that became Aromanians split from Romanians and migrated South. And so far it is the most plausible theory. Romania was under Roman occupation for only 150 years compared to Western Balkans and Kosovo which was up to 800 years or more.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all the Bronze Age Thracians I have seen belonged to I2a2 and R1a-Z93. Bronze Age Dacians should fall into the same cluster given that they were a group of Thracians. So the Dacian/Thracian language was spread by people rich in I2a2 and R1a, while Illyrian rich in J2b2-L283 and some R1b like BY611. Myceaneans were rich in J2a like modern Greeks. Just by looking at some of the Bronze age YDNA some of these Indo-European speakers brought from the steppes one can identify which population descendant from which.

Another linguistic point how Albanian could of never come from Dacian or Thracian

The strongest evidence, however, comes not from the meaning of the proper names (which is always open to doubt) but from their structure. Most Illyrian names are composed of a single unit; many Thracian ones are made of two units joined together. Several Thracian place-names end in -para, for example, which is thought to mean 'ford', or -diza, which is thought to mean fortress. Thus in the territory of the Bessi, a well known Thracian tribe, we have the town of Bessapara, 'ford of the Besi' . The structure here is the same as in many European languages:
thus the 'town of peter' can be called Peterborough, Petrograd, Petersburg, Pierreville, and so on. But the crucial fact is that this structure is impossible in Albanian, which can only say Qytet i Pjetrit, not Pjeterqytet. If 'para' were the Albanian for 'ford, then the place-name would have to be 'Para e Besseve' ; this might be reduced in time to something like 'Parabessa' , but it could never become 'Bessapara'. And what is at stake here is not some superficial feature of the language, which might easily change over time, but a profound structural principle. This is one of the strongest available arguments to show that Albanian cannot have developed out of Thracian.

Since Dacians were a group of Thracians they can pretty much be eliminated out of the picture too. So can Greeks. This leaves only Illyrian left.



Cut out some other parts here

Only remnants of a Latin speaking population survived in parts of the central and west-central Ballkans; when it re-emerges into the historical record in the tenth and eleventh centuries, we find its members leading a semi-nomadic life as shepherds, horse-breeders and travelling muleteers. These were the Vlachs, who can still be seen tending their flocks in the mountains of northern Greece, Macedonia and Albania today. The name Vlach was a word used by the Slavs for those they encountered who spoke a strange, usually Latinate, language; the Vlachs own name for themselves is 'Aromanians' (Aromani). As this name suggests, the Vlachs are closely linked to the Romanians:

It included the upper Morava valley, northern Macedonia, and the whole of Kosovo. It is, therefore, in the uplands of the Kosovo area (particularly), but not only, on the western side, including parts of Montenegro) that this Albanian-Vlach symbiosis probably developed. All the evidence comes together at this point. What is suggests is that the Kosovo region , together with at least part of northern Albania, was the crucial focus of two distinct but interlinked ethnic histories: the survival of the Albanians, and the emergence of the Romanians and Vlachs. One large group of Vlachs seems to have broken away and moved southwards by the ninth or tenth century; the proto-Romanians stayed in contact with Albanians significantly longer, before drifting north-eastwards, and crossing the Danube in the twelfth century.

[J Man]

Before JMan asks me, about 65% of J2 falls under J2a-M410 and 35% under J2b-M241.
In a study about the individuals bearing the "Basarab" surname, the name of the founding house of Wallachia, which is thought to be of Cuman origin, most of the individuals (like 90% of J2) were J2b-M241. This is in stark contrast to the spread among regular folk, where J2a seems to dominate.

Haha thank you and great work! For the J2 samples how were you able to determine that about 65% of them are J2a-M410 and 35% are J2b-M102? FTDNA, 23andme and tables from academic papers?

[Dorkymon]

Haha thank you and great work! For the J2 samples how were you able to determine that about 65% of them are J2a-M410 and 35% are J2b-M102? FTDNA, 23andme and tables from academic papers?

And Yfull

Yep, however, I referred only to those for which the subclade could be determined. A lot of them stop at J2 level, as they come from papers released in the early 2000s.

[J Man]

And Yfull

Yep, however, I referred only to those for which the subclade could be determined. A lot of them stop at J2 level, as they come from papers released in the early 2000s.

Have you ever seen any J2a results that have their origins in Maramures on Yfull, FTDNA or 23andme?

[Moldovlah]

Have you ever seen any J2a results that have their origins in Maramures on Yfull, FTDNA or 23andme?

J2 is West Asian lineage, probably related to Greeks migration. Is not local to Romania.

[mihaitzateo]

Before JMan asks me, about 65% of J2 falls under J2a-M410 and 35% under J2b-M241.
In a study about the individuals bearing the "Basarab" surname, the name of the founding house of Wallachia, which is thought to be of Cuman origin, most of the individuals (like 90% of J2) were J2b-M241. This is in stark contrast to the spread among regular folk, where J2a seems to dominate.

J2B-M241 could not be of Cuman Origins.
J2B-M421 is European J2B.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

[Hawk]

I cannot believe all R1b/J2 there are from Romans, or all E-V13 are Daco-Thracian.