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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Could you share your 23andme 5.9 results?
    Nothing interesting. 99% Eastern Europe and trace results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Are you 1/4 Italian 1/4 Russian 1/4 Ashkenazi and 1/4 English?

    This my run on Genoplot

    sample: Cyryl:AncestryDNA
    distance: 1.5313
    Polish: 45.5
    Slovakian: 30.5
    Russian_Orel: 11
    Bulgarian: 6.5
    Romaniote_Jew: 6.5

    That is what I keep getting on most algorithms.
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    East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.258977

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixed View Post
    That is what I keep getting on most algorithms.
    Does your 23andme results match with these calculations on Geneplot?
    Last edited by CyrylBojarski; 12-04-2020 at 10:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Does your 23andme results match with these calculations on Geneplot?
    Northwestern Europe 53.5
    *British and Irish 45.7
    *French and German 2.4
    *Finnish 1.1
    *Broadly Northwestern Europe 4.3

    Southern Europe 25.8
    *Italy 25.8

    Eastern Europe 19.1

    Broadly Europe 0.8

    Trace 0.6

    *Manchurian & Mongolian 0.3
    *Peninsular Arab 0.3

    Unassigned 0.2
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    East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.258977

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixed View Post
    Northwestern Europe 53.5
    *British and Irish 45.7
    *French and German 2.4
    *Finnish 1.1
    *Broadly Northwestern Europe 4.3

    Southern Europe 25.8
    *Italy 25.8

    Eastern Europe 19.1

    Broadly Europe 0.8

    Trace 0.6

    *Manchurian & Mongolian 0.3
    *Peninsular Arab 0.3

    Unassigned 0.2
    Try do delete Northern Italian sample in your G25 runs and choose Southern Italian, English and Slavic, should match to 23andme results I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Try do delete Northern Italian sample in your G25 runs and choose Southern Italian, English and Slavic, should match to 23andme results I think
    Italian Calabria 4.5
    Ashkenazi Russia 23.5
    Polish 28
    Irish 18
    English 26
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    East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.258977

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    I think there can be issues with Eastern European regions, Poles are autosomally very similiar to western Russians and because of that you can have Masovia. Your Kuyavian Pomeranian Voivodeship can be only because of your Northwestern European ancestry, Poles in that region are heavily admixed with Germans
    That's true, and If I recall correctly, only Ukrainians are closer. So it doesn't surprise me that 23andMe couldn't tell Northern Slavs apart.


    I ran VahaduoJS using Russians and some other Eastern Europeans as the source and Poles as the target. Here are the results:





    Interestingly, Russians from Oryol and Voronezh are closer to Poles than Russians from Smolensk, despite Smolensk being geographically much closer to Poland than either of these cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altvred View Post
    That's true, and If I recall correctly, only Ukrainians are closer. So it doesn't surprise me that 23andMe couldn't tell Northern Slavs apart.


    I ran VahaduoJS using Russians and some other Eastern Europeans as the source and Poles as the target. Here are the results:





    Interestingly, Russians from Oryol and Voronezh are closer to Poles than Russians from Smolensk, despite Smolensk being geographically much closer to Poland than either of these cities.
    I thought Belarus might be closest to them.
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    East_Sicilian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Russian + West_German @ 1.258977

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    This is the IBD analysis that Davidski did on me a few years ago with academic references. You can see North Russia is a double hit.

    AAB_Anglo_Saxon_NO3423 19.48398
    AAB_Sintashta_RISE395 16.164902
    English_Kent_HG00158 14.367849
    Polish_Polish16H 13.563032
    English_Kent_HG00136 12.760677
    Sicilian_East_EastSicilian3H 11.8423805
    German_IL550_0192 11.722059
    German_IL550_0204 11.670863
    English_Cornwall_HG00265 11.529468
    German_GS000016892 11.427855
    AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin1_RM127 11.362549
    Utah_USA_NA12045 11.15444104
    Norwegian_NOR119 11.037497
    Ingrian_GS000016897 10.868328
    Croatian_GS000015871 10.8453271
    English_Kent_HG00159 10.731073
    Finnish_GS000016895 10.5544599
    AAB_Nordic_LN_RISE98 10.396912
    Ukrainian_West_UkrLv228 10.393318
    Orcadian_HG00107 10.355472
    Ukrainian_North_Ukraine141 10.3141515
    Serbian_Bosnia_Serbian_B-H11_GSM1424666 10.2239582
    AAB_Unetice_RISE150 10.212964
    Ukrainian_East_UkrBel614 10.036635
    Utah_German_NA12057 9.913035
    Belarusian_belorus7 9.815257
    Vepsa_GS000016971 9.566861
    Latvian_GS000035027 9.539401
    Polish_Polish13H 9.479041
    Bulgarian_Bulgarian15H 9.388864
    German_IL550_0391 9.289345
    French_HGDP00519 9.277828
    German_IL550_0133 9.0737346
    Finnish_GS000018756 9.02088
    Russian_North_HGDP00880 8.931932
    Montenegrin_Montenegro4_GSM1424637 8.880315
    German_GS000016893 8.842881
    Saami_GS000035024 8.841275
    Ukrainian_East_GS000035176 8.735819
    Utah_Scandinavian_NA11829 8.668876
    Ukrainian_East_GS000035121 8.6328089
    Slovenian_Slovenian321 8.4814716
    Finnish_GS000016894 8.4297409
    Slovakian_Slovakia118 8.41347
    Cossack_Kuban_GS000016186 8.407539
    Russian_North_HGDP00888 8.385822
    Russian_North_HGDP00886 8.24023
    Utah_USA_NA12341 8.18311
    English_Cornwall_HG00261 8.142136
    German_IL550_0367 8.111112
    English_Cornwall_HG00262 8.04419
    Karelian_GS000016970 8.025878
    Spanish_Cataluna_HG01536 7.919741
    Orcadian_HGDP00802 7.902739
    French_HGDP00534 7.7881298
    Estonian_ee59 7.769276
    Russian_North_HGDP00885 7.767556
    English_Cornwall_HG00251 7.761856
    Orcadian_HG00122 7.732638
    Croatian_GSM1841120 7.7085598
    Serbian_Serbian_Serbia6_GSM1424680 7.69554
    Russian_North_HGDP00898 7.687647
    Mordovian_GS000013698 7.684275
    Croatian_GSM1841121 7.661545
    German_IL550_0433 7.629471
    Russian_North_HGDP00899 7.589165
    German_IL550_0445 7.582084
    English_Kent_HG00129 7.492525
    English_Cornwall_HG00250 7.483821
    English_Cornwall_HG00245 7.436681
    Hungarian_hungary8 7.383453
    Irish_IRL006 7.377678
    Montenegrin_Montenegro5_GSM1424638 7.363673
    AAB_Mezhovskaya_RISE523 7.3609616
    Bosnian_Bosnian_14_GSM1424655 7.3565848
    Utah_USA_NA12383 7.256356
    Slovenian_Slovenian299 7.224247
    Ukrainian_West_UkrLv226 7.213755
    Belarusian_GS000016104 7.199316
    English_Kent_HG00126 7.161614
    Norwegian_NOR111 7.151616
    Russian_Northwest_evo_2 7.139177
    Mozabite_HGDP01275 7.108555
    Russian_North_GS000013756 7.08604982
    Ukrainian_North_Ukraine133 7.055681
    Estonian_GS000017199 6.965786
    Khanty_GS000016906 6.939065
    AAB_Nordic_IA_RISE174 6.89061
    Serbian_Serbia_Serbia19_GSM1424665 6.866246
    Estonian_ee1 6.770008
    AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin2_RSK1 6.760027
    Spanish_Aragon_HG01676 6.716239
    Lithuanian_lithuania7 6.693315
    Irish_IRL001 6.681312
    Russian_Central_GS000035242 6.671154
    Serbian_Serbian_Serbia5_GSM1424679 6.659541
    German_IL550_0461 6.620043
    Spanish_Extremadura_HG01509 6.617981
    Irish_IRL005 6.54784
    Orcadian_HGDP00810 6.528422
    Hungarian_hungary19 6.4651684
    Belarusian_belorus8 6.463371
    AAB_Andronovo_RISE500 6.429001
    French_HGDP00511 6.413119
    Hungarian_hungary9 6.35305
    Bosnian_Bosnian_6_GSM1424662 6.351789
    Finnish_HG00364 6.349876
    Bosnian_Bosnian_12_GSM1424653 6.326796
    Romanian_Romania16 6.3157799
    Utah_USA_NA12264 6.314393
    Mozabite_HGDP01279 6.29651
    Polish_Polish7H 6.27854
    Orcadian_HGDP00800 6.267154
    Utah_German_NA07345 6.266461
    Utah_Scandinavian_NA12347 6.225627
    AAB_Karasuk_RISE496 6.192397
    Polish_Polish11H 6.146041
    Macedonian_Macedonian12_GSM1424614 6.110368
    Belarusian_belorus4 6.1080659
    English_Kent_HG00146 6.088209
    Utah_British_NA12348 6.0595122
    Saami_GS000035026 6.039583
    Utah_USA_NA12234 6.02859
    Spanish_Galicia_HG01704 5.969855
    Bulgarian_Bulgaria39 5.9655728
    Russian_Central_GS000016797 5.954777
    Utah_USA_NA12748 5.931534
    Russian_North_HGDP00887 5.926507
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    Orcadian_HGDP00796 5.880476
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    Spanish_Spain3 5.804552
    English_Cornwall_HG00259 5.785663
    Croatian_GSM1841122 5.7777366
    English_Kent_HG00149 5.775977
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    Italian_Tuscan_NA20802 5.720599
    Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon_HG01784 5.720072
    Estonian_ee140 5.708638
    Armenian_arm18 5.642764
    Russian_West_GS000016819 5.635631
    Spanish_Cantabria_HG01513 5.5916891
    Bashkir_GS000035032 5.57992
    Mari_GS000015715 5.576645
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    Chuvash_Chuvash6 5.574046
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    Utah_USA_NA12342 5.564334
    Chuvash_Chuvash8 5.551202
    French_HGDP00531 5.541919
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    Serbian_Serbian_Serbia12_GSM1424673 5.46912
    English_Kent_HG00128 5.465121
    Italian_Tuscan_NA20529 5.4603955
    Mordovian_GS000014330 5.458355
    Polish_GS000015869 5.407757
    Russian_North_HGDP00893 5.384989
    Montenegrin_Montenegro1_GSM1424636 5.349145
    Ukrainian_East_UkrBel736 5.344878
    AAB_Karasuk_RISE499 5.314966
    Dominican_GSM531157 5.2956
    Estonian_GS000017210 5.282319
    Croatian_GSM1841125 5.271873
    Italian_Tuscan_NA20799 5.264869
    German_IL550_0031 5.232845
    Utah_Scandinavian_NA12003 5.218089
    Slovenian_Slovenian137 5.193577
    Spanish_Spain1 5.17424
    English_Kent_HG00145 5.171236
    Pathan_HGDP00216 5.152574
    Spanish_Cantabria_HG01680 5.1416404
    Tajik_Ishkasim_GS000016189 5.122579
    Slovakian_Slovakia256 5.121789
    English_Cornwall_HG00264 5.120518
    Peruvian_HG01973 5.115615
    Karelian_GS000035149 5.1149
    Russian_North_HGDP00882 5.09359
    Croatian_GSM1841116 5.08976
    English_Kent_HG00130 5.081714
    Slovakian_Slovakia425 5.0780624
    Orcadian_HG00114 5.046427
    Estonian_a39 5.04608
    Ukrainian_West_GS000035177 5.041802
    Greek_Greek6H 5.040983
    Orcadian_HG00102 5.03341
    Mordovian_mordovia10 5.03335
    Italian_Tuscan_NA20772 5.0296924
    Kosovar_Kosovo12_GSM1424631 5.02254
    Latvian_latvian58C8 5.017757
    Latvian_latvian22J5 4.996687
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixed View Post
    I thought Belarus might be closest to them.
    Belarussians have a tad more Baltic Hunter-Gatherer and a touch less neolithic farmer admixture compared to Poles.


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