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    Why Indians never recorded their history or events?

    This is strange and I think only unique to Indian civilizations. They never recorded their own history or events, everything we know about India is recorded by outsiders, be it Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Muslims, British etc..... why is that? Why were Indians not interested in their own history and events? I mean we even forgot about IVC, it was the British who discovered that.

    Also books like Rig Vedas are so old, we are not even exactly sure how and where they were written, like Indo aryans perhaps at that point didn't call themselves Indians, they were just migrants like all others, because even In Rig Vedas they are thinking about their old (Cold) lands, rather then India
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    "Itihas" was the closest to "history" in ancient India/SouthAsia, so epics such as Mahabharat and Ramayan, as well as the plethora of Puranas probably fall in to the (religious) Itihas. Since they were not devoid of supernatural, they are not taken as historical events, although they were integral to the cultural development and building up identities of many ethnic groups.

    Then there have been Buddhist and Jain literatures recording the events through their own perspectives.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itihasa.

    Itihasa as a source of actual history
    Historian Romila Thapar discusses the problem of associating 'major lineages of the early tradition' with archaeological evidence (e.g. with Painted Grey Ware or Chalcolithic Black and Red Ware), understanding the Puranic genealogies as 'records of a general pattern of settlements and migrations,' rather than 'factual information on history and chronology'. She tries, however, to associate the chronology of the 'obviously more significant lineages, that of the Puru and the Yadavas' with different archaeological layers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shujauddin View Post
    probably because they were less evolved compared to others. Even when it comes to clothes u would notice that they did not know the art of sewing but used to wrap cloth sheets around them.
    Weapons were also not as developed and hence got subjugated by outsiders from central asian and europe.
    Really? I was under impression IVC was one of the most developed civilization, that prioritized Trade over warfare. Also the first civilization with sewage system. Not to mention they left plenty of history behind, except we cannot decipher their language. The poetry, art, urban planning in IVC was remarkable for their time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    This is strange and I think only unique to Indian civilizations. They never recorded their own history or events, everything we know about India is recorded by outsiders, be it Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Muslims, British etc..... why is that? Why were Indians not interested in their own history and events? I mean we even forgot about IVC, it was the British who discovered that.

    Also books like Rig Vedas are so old, we are not even exactly sure how and where they were written, like Indo aryans perhaps at that point didn't call themselves Indians, they were just migrants like all others, because even In Rig Vedas they are thinking about their old (Cold) lands, rather then India
    One example of recorded history off the top of my head is Kalhanas Rajatarangini. The way it was preserved was that different parts were given to different KP families. This is how it survived through all the conquests. I know some question itís veracity but many histories were likely exaggerated. Iím sure there was recorded history in South Asia itís just did it survive all the conquests that came after? I mean look at what happened to Nalanda, and thatís only one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shujauddin View Post
    probably because they were less evolved compared to others. Even when it comes to clothes u would notice that they did not know the art of sewing but used to wrap cloth sheets around them.
    Weapons were also not as developed and hence got subjugated by outsiders from central asian and europe.
    This is a very simplistic view. Cotton cultivation has an early history in India. The seemingly egalitarian and peaceful nature of the IVC may have rendered them inept to deal with invasions but what can one expect given that the current idea is that they likely didn’t have to deal with war or battles for 700 years? There’s so much more I can add but it may behoove you to do more research on south Asian civilization in general because there is a lot to read in terms of advancements in maths, sciences, and philosophy, none of which point to a “less evolved” civilization, especially considering civilizations like the IVC didn’t have many contemporaries. Should you want any reading material, I’d be happy to direct you.

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    The history preservation is amazing in South Asia, especially for such a busy subcontinent with numerous waves of invasions/migrations. We have well preserved records since Vedic period, the native empires, the kings, their lineages, stories. Some are combined with fiction as Poi stated via Epics like Ramayan or Mahabharat. The historical monuments are still in place, have not been bombed thankfully. The only cloudy part of subcontinent history is IVC, and that's due to language being unique hence hard to translate. Even Egyptian pictographs were translated with the help of Rosetta Stone, else there was nothing available to translate it.

    Pretty ridiculous remark to call it "not evolved" considering how ahead it was in term of Science, philosophy and medical technology.

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    Wasn’t the concept of Zero (0) first recorded in India?

    As well as triangulation of points in space?

    Sounds pretty evolved to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    The history preservation is amazing in South Asia, especially for such a busy subcontinent with numerous waves of invasions/migrations. We have well preserved records since Vedic period, the native empires, the kings, their lineages, stories. Some are combined with fiction as Poi stated via Epics like Ramayan or Mahabharat. The historical monuments are still in place, have not been bombed thankfully. The only cloudy part of subcontinent history is IVC, and that's due to language being unique hence hard to translate. Even Egyptian pictographs were translated with the help of Rosetta Stone, else there was nothing available to translate it.

    Pretty ridiculous remark to call it "not evolved" considering how ahead it was in term of Science, philosophy and medical technology.
    But what we know is mostly from outside sources

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shujauddin View Post
    probably because they were less evolved compared to others. Even when it comes to clothes u would notice that they did not know the art of sewing but used to wrap cloth sheets around them.
    Weapons were also not as developed and hence got subjugated by outsiders from central asian and europe.
    IVC was perhaps the most evolved civilizations of its time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revmac View Post
    Wasn’t the concept of Zero (0) first recorded in India?

    As well as triangulation of points in space?

    Sounds pretty evolved to me.
    Let's not forget Multiverse, round revolving earth and reason behind solar eclipse. They surely were more advanced than most people nowadays in subcontinent.

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