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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    But what we know is mostly from outside sources
    No we don't, where did you get that? Majority of our history comes from local sources. Greek arrived in the scene way later and only recorded the history that's connected with them. Buddhist monks from south asia did an amazing job spreading the Indian history and culture throughout Asia.

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    Indian steel was so prized abroad that Pre-Islamic Arab poetry praises "Hindiya" swords imported from India which were used extensively in the Arab conquests of the 7th Century AD.

    Alexander The Great reportedly received steel as part of his tribute when he conquered the Indus Valley, also the Romans used to import Indian steel for their own use because of its exceptional quality.

    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...n_Empire*.html

    Let's not forget the Iron pillar of Delhi which dates to the reign of Chandragupta II (375-415AD) and was originally erected near Vidisha in Madhya Pradesh:



    Its resistence to corrosion has been admired for centuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    No we don't, where did you get that? Majority of our history comes from local sources. Greek arrived in the scene way later and only recorded the history that's connected with them. Buddhist monks from south asia did an amazing job spreading the Indian history and culture throughout Asia.
    Can you cite those sources, im talking about real historical events, not mythical stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Indian steel was so prized abroad that Pre-Islamic Arab poetry praises "Hindiya" swords imported from India which were used extensively in the Arab conquests of the 7th Century AD.

    Alexander The Great reportedly received steel as part of his tribute when he conquered the Indus Valley, also the Romans used to import Indian steel for their own use because of its exceptional quality.

    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...n_Empire*.html

    Let's not forget the Iron pillar of Delhi which dates to the reign of Chandragupta II (375-415AD) and was originally erected near Vidisha in Madhya Pradesh:



    Its resistence to corrosion has been admired for centuries.
    No doubt indian civilazations were advanced, but I believe even Europeans scholars asked why an advanced civilization like India never recorded its history

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    Can you cite those sources, im talking about real historical events, not mythical stuff
    I'm surprised you don't know about "Puranas" for someone who claims to be kyastha. Look up Puranas, they're records of kings, their lineages and history. The Sangam goes back to 300 BCE, from South India. These are good starting points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    No doubt indian civilazations were advanced, but I believe even Europeans scholars asked why an advanced civilization like India never recorded its history
    I guess that European scholar was pretty ignorant? Colonized regions are always shown as backward. Maybe if you did some research on the historical records of Indian subcontinent, you wouldn't have made the thread in first place.

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    Poi, MDL and kpb already have presented their excellent views. To those, I can only add that I think there is a fundamental error in your premise and perspective. You are trying to strictly separate history and mythology, which is an endeavour in vain for the ancient past we are discussing.

    These were the times (I am talking mainly about the Vedic period) when the written word hadn't yet emerged in their society. How would one go about recording the key ideas, philosophies and events that define one's culture? - By memorizing the whole and passing it down generation to generation. And how does one make sure that people don't lose interest in this exercise, that the lines and the verses are repeated as often as possible, by bards at evening gatherings, by mothers to their children? - By giving the whole thing a structure of a poetic narrative, by giving it a magical and fantastical touch. You can't expect youngsters to memorize word-by-word something which reads like a boring history book.

    This was how the Vedas and other Vedic mythologies were passed down by the word of mouth for over a millennium before finally, some scriveners must have jotted them down for the first time. Can you imagine the perseverance, dedication, wisdom and foresight of these peoples? To these bodies of work, we are today thankful for much of what we know about the history, culture, migrations, philosophies of the Indo-European peoples (whose descendants today inhabit over a half of the globe). From the Wikipedia article "Proto-Indo-European mythology"

    One of the earliest attested and thus most important of all Indo-European mythologies is Vedic mythology, especially the mythology of the Rigveda, the oldest of the Vedas. Early scholars of comparative mythology such as Friedrich Max Müller stressed the importance of Vedic mythology to such an extent that they practically equated it with Proto-Indo-European myth. Modern researchers have been much more cautious, recognizing that, although Vedic mythology is still central, other mythologies must also be taken into account.
    Mythology is sometimes more helpful than "history" in understanding the human condition and human nature in a particular society. Behind these magical and supernatural fables often lies an insight into the minds, beliefs and lives of those peoples. I will close this post with an example.

    Did you know that the concept of God knocking on your door disguised as a poor traveller/beggar/guest finds its roots in early Indo-European religions? It can be found in Greek mythology (Homer's "Odyssey" or the story of Baucis and Philemon), Irish mythology (The story of Da Derg's Hostel), Norse Mythology (Odin wandering the earth in form of a one-eyed old man, testing the generosity of mortals, or the myth of "Grimnismal") and of course in the Subcontinent ("Atithi Devo Bhava". The story of Shabari from the Ramayana would be an example). South Asia is one of the few places where this message of generosity and hospitality is still alive and is not buried in some ancient myths.

    So from all these stories, which one might shove aside at first as "mere mythology", one can get an understanding of these ancient beliefs and ideas shared by so many of us in the world and which live on even today after all these millennia. So, we are carrying a lot of "history" in us, even if, as you claim, it is not "recorded" very extensively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by akash View Post
    No doubt indian civilazations were advanced, but I believe even Europeans scholars asked why an advanced civilization like India never recorded its history
    India did record its history, there is a long history of epigraphy in India for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Really? I was under impression IVC was one of the most developed civilization, that prioritized Trade over warfare. Also the first civilization with sewage system. Not to mention they left plenty of history behind, except we cannot decipher their language. The poetry, art, urban planning in IVC was remarkable for their time.
    Indus valley is before Christ 2000-3000 BC at that time even sumerian/babylonian/persians/nile valley did not write history. I am talking about more recent history like from 700 AD-1800's when the Arabs/Persians/Central Asians and finally the British came to India as conquerors. They were all way advanced than the locals.

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