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    FTDNA haplotree I haplogroup percentages by country

    Countries with at least 40 samples in the FTDNA haplotree

    % I-M253
    44.7% Sweden
    37.3% Norway
    36.2% Denmark
    31.1% Iceland
    26.1% Finland
    22.2% Netherlands
    21.7% Isle of Man
    18.9% England
    17.3% United Kingdom
    17.2% Germany
    15.0% Slovenia
    13.2% Wales
    12.7% Estonia
    12.7% Belgium
    12.7% Scotland
    12.2% Switzerland
    10.7% Albania
    10.7% Northern Ireland
    10.4% Montenegro
    9.8% Bosnia and Herzegovina
    9.4% France
    9.3% Austria
    8.0% Serbia
    7.1% Croatia
    7.0% Hungary
    6.8% Ireland
    6.5% Poland
    5.9% Czech Republic
    5.9% Romania
    5.7% Slovakia
    5.2% Bulgaria
    4.9% Portugal
    4.9% Spain
    4.7% Macedonia
    3.7% Russian Federation
    3.5% Italy
    3.1% Moldova
    2.7% Ukraine
    2.3% Lithuania
    2.3% Latvia
    2.1% Luxembourg
    2.0% Belarus
    2.0% Greece
    1.5% Israel
    0.9% Lebanon
    0.6% Turkey
    0.6% Jordan
    0.5% Palestinian Territory
    0.4% Georgia
    0.3% Kazakhstan
    0.2% Armenia
    0.1% Iraq
    0.0% Malta
    0.0% Kosovo
    0.0% Cyprus
    0.0% Egypt
    0.0% Azerbaijan
    0.0% Tunisia
    0.0% Syrian Arab Republic
    0.0% Libya
    0.0% Algeria
    0.0% Morocco

    % I-P215
    37.9% Bosnia and Herzegovina
    33.2% Croatia
    28.8% Serbia
    23.5% Macedonia
    22.4% Montenegro
    20.3% Slovenia
    20.2% Bulgaria
    14.8% Slovakia
    11.7% Greece
    11.4% Northern Ireland
    11.4% Ukraine
    10.6% Czech Republic
    10.3% Hungary
    10.2% Romania
    9.2% Albania
    9.1% Malta
    9.1% Switzerland
    9.1% England
    8.9% Austria
    8.8% United Kingdom
    8.7% Kosovo
    8.5% Germany
    8.4% Denmark
    8.2% Cyprus
    8.1% Poland
    8.0% Scotland
    7.6% Ireland
    7.4% Netherlands
    7.0% Belarus
    6.6% France
    6.1% Belgium
    6.0% Spain
    5.2% Wales
    5.1% Italy
    4.8% Armenia
    4.6% Moldova
    4.6% Portugal
    4.5% Jordan
    4.3% Norway
    4.3% Luxembourg
    4.2% Russian Federation
    3.3% Isle of Man
    3.3% Sweden
    3.0% Georgia
    2.7% Lithuania
    2.6% Egypt
    2.4% Turkey
    2.0% Azerbaijan
    1.2% Latvia
    1.0% Kazakhstan
    0.9% Lebanon
    0.9% Estonia
    0.9% Finland
    0.8% Tunisia
    0.8% Israel
    0.7% Iceland
    0.6% Syrian Arab Republic
    0.5% Libya
    0.4% Algeria
    0.3% Iraq
    0.0% Palestinian Territory
    0.0% Morocco




    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 09-06-2020 at 08:02 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland, 3% Scandinavian, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    I thought it was odd that N. Ireland was highest of all the British Isles for I-P215 (I2), surrounded by countries with lower percentages; then I saw this map on Eupedia and it makes a little more sense.



    I'm not that familiar with the I haplogroups, but it appears, it came from southern Scotland. Wonder how it got to Southern Scotland. Maybe someone already has the history or theory on how this occurred.

    I2a2 (S33/M436/P214, P216/S30, P217/S23, P218/S32, L35/S150, L37/S153, L181) was known as I1c until 2005 and I2b until 2010. It is associated with the pre-Celto-Germanic people of north-Western Europe, such as the megaliths builders (5000-1200 BCE). Its age has been estimated between 21,000 and 13,000 years old, which corresponds to the Epipaleolithic period.
    I2a2a1 (M284+)
    I2-M284 occurs almost exclusively in Britain and Ireland, but has also been found in Portugal, France, Germany and Norway. It is a very old haplogroup, originating some 10,000 years ago and is split in two subclades Y10626 and L1195, which are each about 7,000 years old. Present-day carriers share a common ancestor who lived approximately 5,500 to 6,000 years ago, during the Megalithic age.
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    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 09-07-2020 at 07:37 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland, 3% Scandinavian, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I thought it was odd that N. Ireland was highest of all the British Isles for I-P215 (I2), surrounded by countries with lower percentages; then I saw this map on Eupedia and it makes a little more sense.



    I'm not that familiar with the I haplogroups, but it appears, it came from southern Scotland. Wonder how it got to Southern Scotland. Maybe someone already has the history or theory on how this occurred.
    Mayority of Irish I2 (and British Isles I2 in general) belongs to subclades I2a2a-M284 and I2a1b1-L161, and both these subclades were there already in the Neolithic. Other minor (in terms of %) I2 subclades could've been brought during Bronze Age (Bell Beakers), Iron Age (Celts) and Early Medieval Age (Anglo-Saxons, Jutes etc.).

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    The percentages in the east and central European countries seem too low.

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    Worth pointing out that at least when it comes to the Balkans that national flags don't always=ethnicity so the stats can be misleading. For example there are lots of Serbs/people with paternal Serb ancestry with Bosnian/Croatian flags on ftdna/yfull as that's where their paternal line comes from, myself included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    The percentages in the east and central European countries seem too low.
    Defo a lack of testers from that area. I really doubt Cyprus has higher I2 than Poland in reality; I'm unsure as to what I2 clades Cypriots would even fall under as I didn't realise I2 existed there at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayetooey View Post
    Worth pointing out that at least when it comes to the Balkans that national flags don't always=ethnicity so the stats can be misleading. For example there are lots of Serbs/people with paternal Serb ancestry with Bosnian/Croatian flags on ftdna/yfull as that's where their paternal line comes from, myself included.
    Are all of your dad's grandparents from Croatia, and which part of Croatia? If you don't mind me asking what have the genetic results revealed for him, is he closer to Serbs from Serbia or Croats from the region that he's from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    Are all of your dad's grandparents from Croatia, and which part of Croatia? If you don't mind me asking what have the genetic results revealed for him, is he closer to Serbs from Serbia or Croats from the region that he's from?
    I will pm you to not change the thread topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I thought it was odd that N. Ireland was highest of all the British Isles for I-P215 (I2), surrounded by countries with lower percentages; then I saw this map on Eupedia and it makes a little more sense.



    I'm not that familiar with the I haplogroups, but it appears, it came from southern Scotland. Wonder how it got to Southern Scotland. Maybe someone already has the history or theory on how this occurred.
    This is an interesting question. We need to know the percent of I2 separately among Northern Ireland's protestants and catholics.

    Quote Originally Posted by oz View Post
    The percentages in the east and central European countries seem too low.
    We need to be carefull about interpreting the FTDNA haplotree percents.
    First of all, we do not know if all the major ethnic groups are proportionally represented among FTDNA customers.
    Then, there is a group of low-coverage FTDNA results.

    Because of this reasons all the percents we get from them are lower then the real percent. This is very important for the Easern Europe countries that once had huge Jewish populations.

    Lets take for example Russia.
    Total number for FTDNA users from Russia is 4476.
    Out of them CT is just 4,419.
    This doesn't mean 57 users from Russia are either A or B, these are users with low-quality results (I guess early users maybe?). All 57 are mentioned as BT with no further data. They are of some downstream haplogroups, but we do not know which one.

    Let's go further and we will see, that for Russia haplogroup J has 1290 cases (29% of total results) compared to just 363 cases of I. For Belarus we see total 648 results and 208 of them are J(32%), while just 58 are I.
    For Russia we know that some of J results might be of native North Caucasians, but not for Belarus.

    What does it mean? Does it mean J makes total about 30% of Belarus population? No!
    This high numbers of J people are because descendants of Jews, who once lived in this countries, but now mostly reside in Israel or US, are quite fond of taking genetic tests.

    We can also check the R1a results and see that significant part of R1a is actually Jewish R1a-Z93-Y2619.
    For Belarus R1a-Z283: 80, R1a-Z93: 16; for Russia R1a-Z283: 586, R1a-Z93: 131, although for Russia R1a-Z93 is partially of steppe origin, common among Tartars and Bashkirs. Other happlogroups quite common among Jews but rare among Slavs can be also seen in high numbers.

    I would estimate that about 35% results for Russia and about 60% results for Belarus in FTDNA are actually Jewish. Some significant pecrent for Poland, Lithuania, Czech Republic etc must be actually Jewish also.
    Thus, share of I1 and I2 should be proportionally higher.

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