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    Red face Haplogroup Distribution in Romania and Republic of Moldova

    I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

    Here are the results on regional level:

    Haplogroup Oltenia Muntenia Dobrogea Wallachia (Oltenia,Muntenia and Dobrogea) Transylvania Moldavia Republic of Moldova
    R1b 15% 13% 18% 14% 19% 12% 11%
    R1a 20% 13% 8% 16% 19.5% 20.5% 30%
    I2 26% 24% 38% 26% 25% 31.5% 29%
    J2 13% 19% 8% 16% 14% 14% 5%
    E1b1b 15.5% 16% 8% 16% 12% 10% 14%
    J1 1% 2% 0% 1% 1% 1% 2%
    G2a 2% 6% 13% 5% 2% 3.5% 0.5%
    I1 5.5% 3% 0% 4% 3% 5% 3%
    N1c 0.5% 1% 5% 1% 1.5% 2% 3%
    T 0.5% 1% 0% 0.5% 2% 0% 1%
    Q1 0% 1% 0% 0.5% 1% 0% 0.5%
    E-V22 1% 0% 2% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    H 0% 1% 0% 0% 0% 0.5% 0%
    Total 234 268 39 541 315 166 212



    County level (only academic sources; not shown below, but included in regional totals are those from FTDNA projects, Yfull and 23andme)
    Muntenia (Greater Wallachia)

    Haplogroup Calarasi Arges Dambovita Ialomita Teleorman Prahova Giurgiu Bucuresti
    R1b 8% 33% 0% 0% 29% 8% 20% 14%
    R1a 13% 17% 0% 50% 0% 8% 20% 13%
    I2 27% 17% 33% 0% 43% 35% 27% 15%
    J2 13% 33% 33% 0% 0% 18% 24% 18%
    E1b1b 25% 0% 17% 0% 14% 18% 7% 19%
    J1 2% 0% 0% 0% 0% 3% 0% 3%
    G2a 6% 0% 17% 0% 14% 10% 0% 6%
    I1 6% 0% 0% 0% 0% 3% 0% 5%
    N1c 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 1%
    T 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 2% 2%
    Q1 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 2%
    E-V22 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    H 0% 0% 0% 50% 0% 0% 0% 1%
    Total 48 6 6 2 7 40 45 104



    Oltenia (Lesser Wallachia)

    Haplogroup Mehedinti Dolj Olt
    R1b 21% 13% 15%
    R1a 17% 23% 5%
    I2 28% 24% 45%
    J2 21% 12% 10%
    E1b1b 14% 16% 15%
    J1 0% 1% 0%
    G2a 0% 2% 10%
    I1 0% 7% 0%
    N1c 0% 1% 0%
    T 0% 1% 0%
    Q1 0% 1% 0%
    E-V22 0% 1% 0%
    H 0% 0% 0%
    Total 29 182 20



    Transylvania

    Haplogroup Maramures Bihor Arad Alba Cluj Brasov
    R1b 24% 19% 33% 30% 11% 10%
    R1a 17% 18% 13% 19% 29% 14%
    I2 21% 30% 17% 33% 16% 28%
    J2 31% 12% 23% 0% 9% 16%
    E1b1b 3% 12% 3% 11% 18% 18%
    J1 0% 1% 0% 0% 2% 4%
    G2a 3% 0% 0% 0% 5% 0%
    I1 0% 1% 0% 0% 5% 8%
    N1c 0% 2% 3% 0% 2% 0%
    T 0% 1% 7% 7% 2% 0%
    Q1 0% 3% 0% 0% 0% 2%
    E-V22 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    H 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    Total 29 105 30 27 55 50


    Moldavia

    Haplogroup Vrancea Neamt Suceava
    R1b 16% 8% 43%
    R1a 16% 24% 14%
    I2 23% 42% 14%
    J2 16% 11% 14%
    E1b1b 16% 7% 0%
    J1 2% 0% 0%
    G2a 2% 4% 0%
    I1 7% 2% 0%
    N1c 2% 1% 14%
    T 0% 0% 0%
    Q1 0% 0% 0%
    E-V22 0% 0% 0%
    H 0% 1% 0%
    Total 44 89 7


    Republic of Moldova

    Haplogroup Stefan Voda Drochia Chisinau
    R1b 15% 17% 6%
    R1a 37% 22% 36%
    I2 21% 28% 37%
    J2 4% 4% 3%
    E1b1b 13% 13% 10%
    J1 6% 2% 0%
    G2a 0% 2% 0%
    I1 3% 7% 0%
    N1c 1% 2% 6%
    T 0% 2% 3%
    Q1 0% 2% 0%
    E-V22 0% 0% 0%
    H 0% 0% 0%
    Total 71 54 70



    With minorities

    Haplogroup Harghita (Hungarians) Bihor (Slovaks) Bihor (Germans) Bihor (Roma) Transnistria (Ukrainians) Constanta (Vlachs)
    R1b 25% 6% 56% 0% 21% 33%
    R1a 19% 60% 0% 0% 40% 2%
    I2 44% 11% 31% 0% 21% 19%
    J2 0% 6% 0% 0% 8% 38%
    E1b1b 6% 9% 6% 3% 0% 7%
    J1 0% 3% 0% 0% 2% 0%
    G2a 0% 3% 3% 0% 0% 0%
    I1 0% 0% 3% 0% 4% 0%
    N1c 3% 3% 0% 0% 6% 0%
    T 3% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    Q1 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    E-V22 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
    H 0% 0% 0% 97% 0% 0%
    Total 36 35 32 35 53 42



    I personally think that J2 primarily and some R-L23 secondarily are the haplogroups of those Imperial Romans responsible for the romanisation of the local Dacians/Getae/Thracians, the latter whom were probably of E-V13, G2a and non-CTS10228 I2 stock. Most of R1a and I2 (since 95%+ falls under I-CTS10228) is probably related to Slavic migrations.
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    Before JMan asks me, about 65% of J2 falls under J2a-M410 and 35% under J2b-M241.
    In a study about the individuals bearing the "Basarab" surname, the name of the founding house of Wallachia, which is thought to be of Cuman origin, most of the individuals (like 90% of J2) were J2b-M241. This is in stark contrast to the spread among regular folk, where J2a seems to dominate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    Before JMan asks me, about 65% of J2 falls under J2a-M410 and 35% under J2b-M241.
    In a study about the individuals bearing the "Basarab" surname, the name of the founding house of Wallachia, which is thought to be of Cuman origin, most of the individuals (like 90% of J2) were J2b-M241. This is in stark contrast to the spread among regular folk, where J2a seems to dominate.
    If I am not mistaken, those Romanians more specifically belong to J2b-Y22894 (BY101837). So far on Yfull this cluster is represented by a Greek from Thessaloniki and a Bosniak, they share a TMRCA of ~500 ybp. However, Albanians also belong to this group and I believe some are in fact closest to those Romanians, and that they may form an older branch. The J2b-Y22894 Albanians are primarily from Kosovo, the Presheva/Preševo Valley, and northeastern Albania (Dibėr and Kukės).
    Ydna: J1>P58>YSC234>ZS241>BY32817 (Y179831)

    Maternal Ydna: E-V13>CTS1273*

    Mtdna: T1a1l

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    I cannot believe all R1b/J2 there are from Romans, or all E-V13 are Daco-Thracian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I cannot believe all R1b/J2 there are from Romans, or all E-V13 are Daco-Thracian.
    Surely neither do I, I just think that those cultures carried more of those than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    Before JMan asks me, about 65% of J2 falls under J2a-M410 and 35% under J2b-M241.
    In a study about the individuals bearing the "Basarab" surname, the name of the founding house of Wallachia, which is thought to be of Cuman origin, most of the individuals (like 90% of J2) were J2b-M241. This is in stark contrast to the spread among regular folk, where J2a seems to dominate.
    Haha thank you and great work! For the J2 samples how were you able to determine that about 65% of them are J2a-M410 and 35% are J2b-M102? FTDNA, 23andme and tables from academic papers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Haha thank you and great work! For the J2 samples how were you able to determine that about 65% of them are J2a-M410 and 35% are J2b-M102? FTDNA, 23andme and tables from academic papers?
    And Yfull

    Yep, however, I referred only to those for which the subclade could be determined. A lot of them stop at J2 level, as they come from papers released in the early 2000s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    And Yfull

    Yep, however, I referred only to those for which the subclade could be determined. A lot of them stop at J2 level, as they come from papers released in the early 2000s.
    Have you ever seen any J2a results that have their origins in Maramures on Yfull, FTDNA or 23andme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Have you ever seen any J2a results that have their origins in Maramures on Yfull, FTDNA or 23andme?
    J2 is West Asian lineage, probably related to Greeks migration. Is not local to Romania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Have you ever seen any J2a results that have their origins in Maramures on Yfull, FTDNA or 23andme?
    Nope

    Quote Originally Posted by Moldovlah View Post
    J2 is West Asian lineage, probably related to Greeks migration. Is not local to Romania.
    They might have been of Greco-Roman Imperial stock to be more precise, and they probably Romanised the population. Vlachs score 33% of J2, so that can't be a coincidence.
    Greeks who migrated in the 19-20th centuries were very few in numbers to explain such big percentages.
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