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    E-Y4971 gains a fourth branch

    FTDNA just identified a 4th sub-branch of E-Y4971 (one of the 2 major branches of E-L791; though that isn't exactly the best structural description), in addition to the previously attested branches, E-Y6926, E-Y4972, and E-BY36952/Y39447.

    E-V1986 has been identified in a Polish gentile (who appears in YFull under E-Y4971*) and a newly-tested Italian, who I have not been able to track down. Based on the number of shared mutations, it looks like it's a reasonably young branch.

    So, a recap:

    - V1986: a Polish gentile and a thus far unidentified Italian

    - Y6926: Al-Balushi clan, Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Hispanics, North African Jews, TMRCA: 3100 ybp (though this date is problematic)

    - Y4972: Wide European and Middle Eastern distribution, Napoleon, TMRCA: 5100 ybp

    - BY36952/Y39447: Iraqi and Kuwaiti, TMRCA: 850 ybp

    If anyone has any information about the new branch-defining Italian, or any thoughts about this pattern in general, I'd love to hear them.
    Last edited by hartaisarlag; 04-07-2020 at 03:54 PM. Reason: Adding some context on E-Y4971
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    An authority tells me that the Pole and the Italian have an estimated TMRCA of 750 ybp. Italy > medieval Poland?
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    - V1986: a Polish gentile and a thus far unidentified Italian
    Perhaps, this Polish guy is related to viking from Gotland (VK474) E1b1b1b2a1a4, autosomal 98.4 'Polish like'

    Population genomics of the Viking world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farroukh View Post
    Perhaps, this Polish guy is related to viking from Gotland (VK474) E1b1b1b2a1a4, autosomal 98.4 'Polish like'

    Population genomics of the Viking world
    Tempting to make the connection! It’s possible. E-Y2947 and E-Y4972 are as well.
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    And now a fifth, among Armenians. One SNP-confirmed Eastern Armenian, who is a close STR match to several other Armenians in the FTDNA Armenian project. Now we have Armenians in Y2947, Y4971*, and Y4972.

    Another interesting tidbit: the long-known, "uber-European" E-L793 branch of E-Y2947 now has a direct sister branch with one Saudi from the Hijaz, as well as one other unidentified individual. Just like the parallel E-Y2962 branch of E-Y2947 has been found to include multiple Lebanese families from different sects; prior to that, there was no evidence of E-Y2947 south of Anatolia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Tempting to make the connection! It’s possible. E-Y2947 and E-Y4972 are as well.
    I now think this unlikely. The Pole's origins are in a city with a significant medieval Italian population, and all of his within-threshold STR matches at FTDNA are northern Italians.
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    Reposting here from the main thread on the paper. I called VK474 as Y4971+.

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    Took some time today to call downstream SNPs for VK474, identified as Gotland.SG_VA and L791+ in the paper. E-L791 is mostly found in the Near East so its presence here is quite interesting, especially with this individual having over 95% Balto-Slavic-like ancestry. VK474's BAM file was 4.9 GBs. 49/126 (39%) of checked SNPs were no-calls.

    I checked for 126 SNPs at or downstream E-L791 using the Integrative Genomics Viewer (IGV). His path is almost certainly E-L791 > Y4971 > BY36952. BY36952 is the name of an relatively young Iraqi/Kuwaiti clade on FTDNA, whose name is E-Y39447 on YFull. There are 32 SNPs at the E-Y39447 level on YFull. VK474 was only positive for BY36952, but was negative for 21, and the other 10 were no-calls. I interpret this as VK474 belonging to an ancient (and likely extinct) split off from this clade, probably to the order of 5000 years ago.

    Now, it should be said that BY36952 is found in both Haplogroup E and Haplogroup O, and perhaps this call is inaccurate. BY36952 had two positive reads so I believe it is an accurate call. While I checked all publicly available SNPs downstream E-L791, both Y4972 and Y4976 were no-calls. As there are at least three basal lines of E-Y4972 (3 on FTDNA and 2 on YFull), if the above positive call is questionable he could in fact be somewhere downstream E-Y4972 (but still outside the known subclades downstream). I would love a more experienced member's opinion on the issue.

    Looking forward to more interesting results! Let me know if you have any questions.

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