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Thread: Kurdish R1b-P311* (P312-, U106-, CTS4528-)

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    Kurdish R1b-P311* (P312-, U106-, CTS4528-)

    There was a Kurdish gentleman on 23andMe who was P311+, but V3 chip didn't capture P312 position. So we finally have another Kurdish gentleman from the same region who belongs to Alan tribe kit #E22089 tested with Y37 STR who belongs to R1b-P311* (P312-, U106-, CTS4528-).

    Here's SNP pack results
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    P297+, P310+, P311+, L23+, L389+, L51+, L278+, M269+, M343+, M73-, MC14-, M335-, L371-, 
    L513-, L584-, L617-, L881-, M1994-, M222-, Z3000-, Z301-, Z302-, Z326-, Z36-, Z367-, Z381-, 
    Z49-, Z8-, Z8052-, Z9-, L408-, L47-, L48-, L238-, L1335-, L2-, L21-, FGC20761-, FGC22501-, 
    FGC3861-, FGC396-, FGC5301-, FGC5336-, FGC5344-, FGC5345-, FGC5351-, FGC5354-, FGC5356-, 
    FGC5367-, FGC5373-, FGC5494-, P312-, PF3252-, PF6610-, PF6714-, PF7562-, PF7589-, PF7600-, 
    S1026-, S1051-, S11493-, S11601-, S12025-, S1567-, S16264-, S1688-, S18632-, S18827-, S7721-, 
    SRY2627-, U106-, U152-, U198-, V88-, Y5058-, Z156-, Z16500-, Z17-, Z17300-, Z18-, Z1862-, 
    Z195-, Z198-, Z209-, Z2103-, Z2109-, Z225-, Z251-, Z253-, Z2542-, Z255-, Z2573-, Z295-, 
    CTS11994-, CTS1751-, CTS3386-, CTS3937-, CTS4466-, CTS4528-, CTS5330-, CTS5689-, CTS6937-, 
    CTS7763-, DF103-, DF110-, DF17-, DF19-, DF21-, A1773-, A2150-, A274-, A4670-, A517-, BY2823-, 
    BY2868-, BY575-, BY653-, CTS10429-, DF41-, DF49-, DF63-, DF81-, DF83-, DF88-, DF95-, DF99-, 
    F2017-, F2691-, F2863-, FGC10516-, FGC11134-, FGC13620-, FGC14641*, CTS11567*, DF27*, Z296*, 
    FGC5798*
    Y37 STR
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    E22089		R1b-M343>M269>P311	13	24	14	11	12-14	12	12	12	13	13	29	18	9-10	11	11	25	15	19	30	15-15-17-17	11	11	19-23	16	15	19	18	37-40	12	12
    Last edited by MfA; 04-04-2017 at 07:37 PM.
    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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    The kit #276935 from Ossetia project is P312- and might be a candidate for this same common ancestor despite having some GD between them. It's no coincidence that the Alans came from the steppe region just north of modern Ossetia.
    Last edited by ADW_1981; 04-13-2017 at 02:07 AM.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
    maternal-gf YDNA: ?? Gurr, James ~1740, Smarden, Kent, England.
    maternal-gm YDNA: R1b-P311+ Beech, John Richard b. 1780, Lewes, England
    maternal-ggf YDNA R1b-U106 Thomas, Edward b 1854, Sittingbourne, Kent
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-Z17901. Gould, John Somerset England 1800s.
    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton Ireland(?) 1800s

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    Welch: early 1800s E-M84 Kent, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADW_1981 View Post
    The kit #276935 from Ossetia project is P312- and might be a candidate for this same common ancestor despite having some GD between them. It's no coincidence that the Alans came from the steppe region just north of modern Ossetia.
    There were several Alanic waves to Kurdistan area. Modern day Kordestan province in Iran, used to called Erdelan (Land of Alans). One of the protagonist's name in the Mem û Zîn of Kurdish classical love story from 17th century is Mem the Alan.

    The P311* Kurdish gentlemen is from the area marked 135 in the map below.


    The other gentleman from the Alan Tribe belongs to R1a-YP5664 which is much more common than the P311* line in Kurds.
    Last edited by MfA; 04-13-2017 at 09:12 AM.
    E-M84>FGC18389>FGC18413>FGC18401>FGC18422>Y99171 tMRCA 2550ybp

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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA View Post
    There was a Kurdish gentleman on 23andMe who was P311+, but V3 chip didn't capture P312 position. So we finally have another Kurdish gentleman from the same region who belongs to Alan tribe kit #E22089 tested with Y37 STR who belongs to R1b-P311* (P312-, U106-, CTS4528-).

    Y37 STR
    E22089 R1b-M343>M269>P311
    Nice find. Any chance he will test further? There is a R1b-L51 xP312 xU106 SNP Pack for testing some branches between P311 and CTS4528. Of course, an NGS test would be best for building the tree.
    The R1b-M269 (P312- U106-) Phylogenetic Tree was just updated and is worth a look.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups.../about/results
    Last edited by Joe B; 04-14-2017 at 03:56 PM.
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    probably, should be a8053 or a8039. But tribe is not alan. Tribe is izolan. ( https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...9610784115&z=9 )
    Last edited by Eldar; 10-05-2020 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldar View Post
    probably, should be a8053 or a8039. But tribe is not alan. Tribe is izolan. ( https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...9610784115&z=9 )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    hey hemsho
    Slav hemsho

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