Pontic Greek R-U152

[xripkan]

It's good to be here for sure. But I have a question about something. It seems like the closest Greek plots to me are Cretan and Kos Greeks. Does this say anything about a possible Greek islander origin? Bear with me, because I do not fully comprehend what I am seeing here.

No, it is just genetic similarity. Your father's ancestry background brings him close to Greek islanders but it doesn't mean he has an ancestry from them.

[Greekscholar]

On G25, your dad's closest match is Central Anatolian Greeks. G25 also seems to like to assign you this ancestry in "all modern averages" models for what it is worth. I'm not sure why to be honest.

Distance to: Marko_scaled
0.03471033 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04163483 Greek_Kos
0.04364577 Greek_Crete
0.04639633 Turkish_Trabzon
0.04956426 Greek_Trabzon
0.05118193 Armenian
0.05143039 Greek_Izmir
0.05453353 Italian_Basilicata
0.05511949 Turkish_East
0.05521116 Italian_Campania
0.05548606 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.05580252 Italian_Calabria
0.05620865 Georgian_Jew
0.05632432 Italian_Apulia
0.05662235 Italian_Molise
0.05664414 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.05692455 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.05792507 Turkish_Istanbul
0.05798820 Turkish_Kayseri
0.05831358 Georgian_Laz
0.05837718 Italian_Abruzzo
0.05840637 Greek_Peloponnese
0.05893553 Cypriot
0.05918134 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.05928061 Ashkenazi_Russia

Target: Marko_scaled
Distance: 2.2893% / 0.02289263 | ADC: 0.5x
76.6 Greek_Central_Anatolia
13.4 Gagauz
8.2 Darginian
1.8 Georgian_Laz

Target: Marko_scaled
Distance: 1.8363% / 0.01836251 | ADC: 0.25x
51.0 Greek_Central_Anatolia
31.2 Armenian_Hemsheni
13.4 Sorb_Niederlausitz
2.0 Italian_Lazio
1.6 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.8 Darginian

Target: Marko_scaled
Distance: 1.7282% / 0.01728204
50.8 Armenian_Hemsheni
25.0 Greek_Central_Anatolia
14.4 Sorb_Niederlausitz
7.6 Spanish_La_Rioja
1.2 Sardinian
1.0 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya

[Johnny ola]

Marko you are half Greek and half Polish? Could you share your results?

[Marko47]

This is great guys! Thanks for working me on this. The last thing Greekscholar posted with the recurring Greek_Central_Anatolia values, does this have any correlation with the coordinates of my terminal SNP (R-FT330613) on the SNP Tracker's map? It is like I mentioned in my first point, right around Central Anatolia around 970 AD. I know that the tracker is to be viewed with caution, but I'm curious about this.

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTr...S3nnbIB3fkjMfU

(I tried to post a screenshot of the map but it's not working. You will see what I mean by going to the link and inputting R-FT330613)

[dosas]

That map is the result of the info you entered in FTDNA rather than the other way around. It produces a kind of a result based on the info it gets from the FTDNA projects, 970 AD is the TMRCA with your matches?

Edit: I found you on the Big-Y tree, there's seems to be just you there with no other match, correct? You need to start working on your rule of 3 and hope for the best for a match.

Rule of 3: Father + son + confirmed distant male cousin from the same paternal lineage so a most recent clade can be formed.

[Markos]

Seeing my name all over this thread is messing with me

[eolien]

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if someone could help me try to figure out my paternal grandfather's very obscure and unknown background. My father has 2 Pontic Greek parents, his mother being from the Eastern part of Pontus in Giresun with family in the Caucasus as well, and his father being from just outside of Istanbul in a village called Yenikoy Sile. My paternal great grandfather is said to have come to Yenikoy Sile from Eastern Thrace, but we know next to nothing about him and his family.

I checked some available turkish sources in the web. The most accepted hypothesis on the origin of Greeks in Yenikoy/Neohorion is that they moved from Taskopru district in Gebze after Orlov revolt (1770). Apparently they had a different Greek accent from that of Sile greeks and the village was well known as the center of greek gangs in this hilly region in 1919-1922.

[Marko47]

They told me that there is a match but that it hasn't been made public. An administrator told me that the person could have been part of a study. I was at R-BY32364 a few weeks ago and it was located near Belgium. The other person was from England. Not quite sure how it works but I'm not sure that they just plot you in the place you tell them. I have my earliest known ancestor in Eastern Thrace.

[Marko47]

Eolien, I have read that article that was poorly translated into English from Turkish. I thought it got taken down because it did not have more than one source or something like that? I have heard about the rebels there from primary sources and additionally that the village suffered tremendously from reprisals during the genocide, because of their activities. They were described in that article as "armed at all times" and having a different dialect than Sile Greeks. I believe it, because the next generation was the one that fought in the Greek resistance and were active in the Civil War. It's why, to answer your question Johnny, I am half-Polish. Gebze is not too far away, but I have a feeling that they were from further East in Anatolia originally. This would make even more sense to me if my paternal line is in fact from the Galatians. It's curious to say the least.

[dosas]

From personal experience, I wouldn't put much stock in that scaledinnovation mapping, better to start contacting your matches, especially if the TMRCA is recent, otherwise I already wrote about the 'rule of 3'.

That scaled innovation map doesn't make any sense, for example, it pinpoints my clade in Ukraine for 'modern times'; there's only two of us in the clade, one is me with Haskovo in Bulgaria as the birthplace of the most distant known ancestor and the other match is an ethnic Chechen from Chechnya with a TMRCA of 3500 ybp, how does Ukraine fit in all of this, other than some sort of meeting point average, but for modern times? Come on ...