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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiden View Post
    Labeling Jews "European", labeling Greek cypriots "western asian" thus denying their hellenic roots, a scandal involving a 23andme scientist tampering with individuals European DNA results adding in traces of non Euro DNA "to screw with racists", the fact that the company is run by leftwing activist Anne Wojcicki, the ex-wife of Google founder Sergey Brin, backed by Facebook billionaire Yuri Milner and Google Ventures, I could go on.
    You could provide vetted sources for those accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    myheritage's analysis is complete garbage, I dont know how their raw data compares with the others. The best one is the one that produces the best raw data with fewer miscalls in my opinion
    myheritage used to analyze ~710k SNPs but after their chip update, it got decreased to ~610k which is unfortunate
    MyHeritage actually has the least miscalls (0.25% compared to 23andme 2.5%) but their ethnicity estimates are the worst. The raw file quality doesn't really change anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 23abc View Post
    MyHeritage actually has the least miscalls (0.25% compared to 23andme 2.5%) but their ethnicity estimates are the worst. The raw file quality doesn't really change anything.
    Since their estimates are bad, it's better to use their raw data for gedmatch and g25 or what not. That's why I value their raw data over their analysis in their case
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    You could provide vetted sources for those accusations.
    Trying to track down reports about issues with 23andMe results and found this:

    According to Snopes:
    Did DNA Testing Companies Admit to Altering Tests to ‘Screw with Racists’?
    A number of hyperpartisan web sites claimed that DNA testing companies deliberately fabricated African ancestry to "screw with" racist customers.
    by Kim LaCapria
    Mostly False

    What's True
    An anonymous purported employee of an unnamed DNA testing company claimed that on two occasions, less than one percent African ancestry was added to testing results, typically when their findings totaled under 100 percent.

    What's False
    DNA testing companies made no such admission; the claim was sourced from one anonymous worker and published on a humor site; even the worker indicated purported meddling was unusual.

    It seems (not completely sure) this is the original article that started the rumor:
    Inside The Shady World Of DNA Testing Companies
    In particular the section "They Will Screw With Racists".
    "Since we couldn't do anything to the results (and we wanted to), what we did was add '< 1 percent' to each African category of ethnicity. That way we weren't lying, and they would both be wondering how much under a percentage point was. We always try to round to the nearest number because we sometimes hear about percentage points, but for them, we leave it open to whether it's a one or a zero."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    Since their estimates are bad, it's better to use their raw data for gedmatch and g25 or what not. That's why I value their raw data over their analysis in their case
    This is a blanket statement that might apply to you but not to everyone. In my case, regionally My Heritage is the most accurate. They fall apart a bit in the details, and NW Europe is a mess so I don’t pay attention to that. So if you set your expectations, it’s fine. I suspect its just an old algorithm based on old data honestly. I really hope that the update, whenever it comes, can leverage the massive European data sets that they likely have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    This is a blanket statement that might apply to you but not to everyone. In my case, regionally My Heritage is the most accurate. They fall apart a bit in the details, and NW Europe is a mess so I don’t pay attention to that. So if you set your expectations, it’s fine. I suspect its just an old algorithm based on old data honestly. I really hope that the update, whenever it comes, can leverage the massive European data sets that they likely have.

    yes, the lack of detail is whats troubling. companies like 23andme will go as far as illustrating provinces of certain countries. if they update their algorithm to recognize countries within a cluster group, i'm sure itll be fine.
     

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    In my experience, My Heritage isn't bad. I understand many people has received results with strange cathegories, some iberians for example have too much scandinavian, values that in other companies disapear. My Heritage gived me good results.
    Last edited by rober_tce; 09-16-2020 at 04:37 PM.
    23andMe: 80.5% Spanish & Portuguese, 5.5% Italian, 10.1% Broadly Southern European, 0.9% British & Irish, 0.5% Broadly Northwestern European, 0.4% Ashkenazi Jewish, 0.6% Broadly European, 0.7% Broadly Western Asian & North African, 0.4% Trace Ancestry (0.3% Angolan & Congolese, 0.1% Broadly East Asian & Native American)

    My Heritage: 91.5% Iberian, 3.6% Ashkenazi Jewish, 2.7% Middle East, 2.2% Irish, Sccotish and Welsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by rober_tce View Post
    In my experience, My Heritage isn't bad. I understand many people has received results with strange cathegories, some iberians for example have too much scandinavian, values that in other companies disapear. My Heritage gived me good results.
    In my case, they gave me a decent amount of Mizrahi jewish despite the lack of jewish background. There maybe overlap between certain SNPs amongst non jewish west asians and mizrahis but it's not accurate by any means. They also group west Asia into one cluster. It would nicer if they broke it down to smaller areas and countries. Otherwise it makes no sense.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23abc View Post
    MyHeritage actually has the least miscalls (0.25% compared to 23andme 2.5%) but their ethnicity estimates are the worst. The raw file quality doesn't really change anything.
    I agree...their ethnicity is bad .......................but their DNA linking yourself to people in their database is the best in the business ...............but, only a few low confidence ones have been a match for me, while most of the medium confidence ones are confirmed by myself via registry records...........................


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon View Post
    In my case, they gave me a decent amount of Mizrahi jewish despite the lack of jewish background. There maybe overlap between certain SNPs amongst non jewish west asians and mizrahis but it's not accurate by any means. They also group west Asia into one cluster. It would nicer if they broke it down to smaller areas and countries. Otherwise it makes no sense.
    It's true that they should improve their algorithm, when the upgrade comes if does ever, I suppose they will be more precisse. Nowadays, in my experience, for me was good relatively.
    23andMe: 80.5% Spanish & Portuguese, 5.5% Italian, 10.1% Broadly Southern European, 0.9% British & Irish, 0.5% Broadly Northwestern European, 0.4% Ashkenazi Jewish, 0.6% Broadly European, 0.7% Broadly Western Asian & North African, 0.4% Trace Ancestry (0.3% Angolan & Congolese, 0.1% Broadly East Asian & Native American)

    My Heritage: 91.5% Iberian, 3.6% Ashkenazi Jewish, 2.7% Middle East, 2.2% Irish, Sccotish and Welsh

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