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    Yamna-Bell-beaker

    Yamna – East Bell Beaker migration 3000-2300 BC. Image based on Harrison and Heyd (2007), Heyd (2007, see below), and other images on local East Bell Beaker expansion. NOTE. For Yamna expansion into the Carpathian basin, see Yamna Hungary maps.



    https://indo-european.eu/maps/yamna-bell-beaker/

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    Here is your group
    https://www.familytreedna.com/my/gro...thernGermanic&


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    Last edited by Mis; 09-18-2020 at 09:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer View Post
    Yamna – East Bell Beaker migration 3000-2300 BC. Image based on Harrison and Heyd (2007), Heyd (2007, see below), and other images on local East Bell Beaker expansion. NOTE. For Yamna expansion into the Carpathian basin, see Yamna Hungary maps.

    https://indo-european.eu/maps/yamna-bell-beaker/
    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/...ckpottery.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mis View Post
    Here is your group
    https://www.familytreedna.com/my/gro...thernGermanic&


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    Looks like no one has actually compared Polish Corded Ware L51 and Hungary Bell Beaker East Z2103+/Z2109+

    Mis can you post what the difference is between R1b-Corded Ware and Bell Beaker Hungargy R1b-Z2109+

    I2787 R1b-Z2103 2458–2202 BC Szigetszentmiklós, Felső Ürge-hegyi dűlő (Hungary) [in the pre-print]

    I4253 R1b-Z2103 2457–2208 BC Samborzec (Małopolska, Poland)

    I7044 R1b-Z2109 2500–2200 BC Szigetszentmiklós-Üdülősor (Hungary)


    Corded Ware cultural complexity uncovered using genomic and isotopic analysis from south-eastern Poland

    The study of individuals associated with the CWC complex detected ancestry and admixture patterns with the HG groups, individuals of the Steppe culture groups such as Afanasievo and Yamnaya complexes. Moving forward in time evidence of admixture with individuals of the succeeding BBC complex appears, suggesting that this region of prehistoric Europe was an important social arena and melting pot of human genetics from both the east and the west5
    Last edited by Silesian; 09-18-2020 at 10:46 PM.

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    G25 ancient 2500 BCE - 2000 BCE calculator
    Distance to: Mis_scaled (y5587+)
    0.03781921 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
    0.04725389 CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
    0.05113620 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
    0.05146829 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
    0.05250352 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
    0.05324754 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7251
    0.05352068 BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
    0.05376052 BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5382
    0.05538293 BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
    0.05564227 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
    0.05623767 BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I5750
    0.05667286 BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I6679
    0.05719280 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09569
    0.05728742 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5834
    0.05740061 BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
    0.05766895 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
    0.05784196 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
    0.05799383 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7213
    0.05840335 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
    0.05948942 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
    0.05951693 BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I4178
    0.06003242 BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I5377
    0.06005291 CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
    0.06026150 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
    0.06057287 BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I7638

    Target: Mis_scaled
    Distance: 3.5125% / 0.03512539 | ADC: 0.5x
    88.4 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN
    11.6 CZECH-EBA

    Target: Mis_scaled
    Distance: 3.1055% / 0.03105532 | ADC: 0.25x
    61.8 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN
    14.8 CORDED-WARE-BALTIC
    12.6 CZECH-EBA
    7.8 MINOAN
    3.0 BEAKERS-BRITAIN

    Target: Mis_scaled
    Distance: 2.9566% / 0.02956568
    30.8 CORDED-WARE-BALTIC
    27.6 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN
    17.0 BEAKERS-BRITAIN
    15.6 MINOAN
    7.2 CZECH-EBA
    1.6 CORDED-WARE-GERMANY
    0.2 STEPPE

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    Yes I am testing below BY251 but on the other side of the the CTS 1450 tree than yours. Its more complicated than that since that line is very old. And was does ADC: x2 mean?
    Here are my G25 coordinates:
    Global 25
    Distance to: Louis_scaled
    0.01685147 Italian_Campania
    0.01976612 Sicilian_East
    0.02075575 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.02082644 Italian_Basilicata
    0.02109386 Italian_Apulia
    0.02155902 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.02165167 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.02241145 Italian_Calabria
    0.02291327 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.02299048 Italian_Abruzzo

    Target: Louis_scaled
    Distance: 1.6851% / 0.01685147 | ADC: 2x
    100.0 Italian_Campania
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    What is ADC? Ask @Generalissimus . I think he will give you the correct answer.

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