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    Quote Originally Posted by cheshire View Post
    Maybe from Insular ppl who fleed the Anglo-Saxon invasion? (sorry for the dumb hypothesis lol)
    But aren't some L21 subclades specific to the Iberian Peninsula to the point that these are kinda long disconnected from the Insular ones?
    That's actually the most shared theory how there is the existance of R-L21 in Spain and Portugal:



    So it's not dumb at all. Actually, there are iberians with the so-irish R-DF49 and the so-scottish R-L1335, they are not common at all, but you can find it. I think the most common clade among iberian L21s is R-Z253, a clade that is not that common among irish and scots, and this is why some people on FB are saying that this L21 was not brought by any brittish refugee, but with germanic invasion, taking in account the high quantity of L21 found on vikings and the frecuency in Iceland and Norway. I disagree with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alejandromb92 View Post
    That's actually the most shared theory how there is the existance of R-L21 in Spain and Portugal:



    So it's not dumb at all. Actually, there are iberians with the so-irish R-DF49 and the so-scottish R-L1335, they are not common at all, but you can find it. I think the most common clade among iberian L21s is R-Z253, a clade that is not that common among irish and scots, and this is why some people on FB are saying that this L21 was not brought by any brittish refugee, but with germanic invasion, taking in account the high quantity of L21 found on vikings and the frecuency in Iceland and Norway. I disagree with this one.
    Z253 is very common among the Irish. There are some smaller subclades among the Spanish and Portuguese that seem to be exclusive to them. That includes some smaller parts of Z253 and Z251 among others (that are large L21 subclades).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmandoR1b View Post
    My point is that the DNA is damaged at the positions for Z195 and Z229/Z225 very often. That means Z195 being called is a rare occurrence. It happened way too often with the Iberian samples.
    Sorry if I ask a stupid question:
    There seems to be a technical problem calling certain positions like: DF27, Z195 ...
    Well, now there are a lot of known SNPs below those. I guess some of these SNPs will be easier to call, why don't they do it then? If some of these are positive, I guess you don't have to worry about DF27 anymore (well, unless these downstream SNPs didn't exist yet at the time the individual lived).
    What about trying to call equivalent SNPs when they exist?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Hi, FYI i'm R-S18894 which is sample VK329. I tested Y700. Living in Belgium.

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    While I was making notes for the Ydna calls in the very large dataset, AADR which is linked at the David Reich Lab, I found these two samples from Covesea Caves, Scotland, which were previously called as L21.

    I2859 912-808BCE DF27
    I2860 969-812BCE DF27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    While I was making notes for the Ydna calls in the very large dataset, AADR which is linked at the David Reich Lab, I found these two samples from Covesea Caves, Scotland, which were previously called as L21.

    I2859 912-808BCE DF27
    I2860 969-812BCE DF27
    Not old enough to prove much about DF27 in the Peopling of western Europe. But also, nothing to do with Vikings, or the Norman Conquest, or a lot of other theories about its being present in The Isles. Shipwrecked DF27 crewmen from the Spanish Armada, and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    While I was making notes for the Ydna calls in the very large dataset, AADR which is linked at the David Reich Lab, I found these two samples from Covesea Caves, Scotland, which were previously called as L21.

    I2859 912-808BCE DF27
    I2860 969-812BCE DF27
    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    Not old enough to prove much about DF27 in the Peopling of western Europe. But also, nothing to do with Vikings, or the Norman Conquest, or a lot of other theories about its being present in The Isles. Shipwrecked DF27 crewmen from the Spanish Armada, and whatnot.
    It fits fairly nicely with the very end of the Bronze Age in Britain...

    Bronze Age Britain is an era of British history that spanned from c. 2500 until c. 800 BC
    Late Bronze Age (LBA), 1000700 BC
    1000900 BC: Late Urnfield: socketed axes, palstaves (also lead).
    800700 BC: Ewart Park Phase, Llyn Fawr Phase: leaf-shaped swords.
    In Ireland the final Dowris phase of the Late Bronze Age appears to decline in about 600 BC, but iron metallurgy does not appear until about 550 BC.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_Britain
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    It fits fairly nicely with the very end of the Bronze Age in Britain...


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_Britain
    You hit the nail on the head. They are sitting in that sweet spot, just post Urnfield, which is a time period that is under sampled.

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    Does anyone know anything about this website? https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/index.php?searchcolumn=Object_ID&searchfor=UN85&yb p=500000,0>

    According to this website, sample UN85, Urville-Nacqueville Necropolis in Normandy, dated 2000ybp, is DF27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    While I was making notes for the Ydna calls in the very large dataset, AADR which is linked at the David Reich Lab, I found these two samples from Covesea Caves, Scotland, which were previously called as L21.

    I2859 912-808BCE DF27
    I2860 969-812BCE DF27
    I've looked at the new shotgun data for these men. I2859 does belong to R-L21, while I2860 belongs to R-P312 > Z40481 > FGC84729 > ZZ37 > ZZ38 > Z30597. I think this may be our first R-ZZ37 aDNA? He has good results for both Z30597 and Z20598.

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