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    Question Starting Awan Tribe Results thread

    Hey guys,

    I am trying to collect data on the Awan tribe to gain a better understanding of our origins. If you descend from this tribe/caste, could you please post your:

    - GEDmatch results
    - Global25 coordinates (if you have)
    (or if you don't have global 25, post your MyTrueAncestry ancient samples results)
    - Location: whether you are from Pakistan, India or Afghanistan, and your city/province of origin.
    - language your Awan family speaks natively
    - Ethnic group (e.g. Punjabi, Hindki etc)


    Thank you!

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    My grandmother is paternally an Awan. Her father was from Pindgheb in Attock but the family moved around a bit (Naushera, Peshawar etc.) due to business and military service. Here are her and her brother's results - although bear in mind their mother was non-Awan and probably a Hazarewal from Mansehra.

    Naani:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.39
    2 S-Indian 32.17
    3 Caucasian 13.45
    4 NE-Euro 8.60
    5 American 2.27
    6 SW-Asian 1.16

    Using 1 population approximation:

    1 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 2.628586
    2 punjabi_harappa @ 3.897609
    3 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 4.282465
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 4.482181
    5 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 4.793001
    6 kashmiri_harappa @ 5.002299
    7 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 5.126233
    8 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 5.183880
    9 punjabi-arain_xing @ 6.089355
    10 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 6.373230
    11 sindhi_harappa @ 6.425563
    12 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.464139
    13 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 6.849933
    14 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 7.141775
    15 up-muslim_harappa @ 8.219748
    16 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 8.449892
    17 sindhi_hgdp @ 8.617720
    18 bhatia_harappa @ 9.665194
    19 pathan_hgdp @ 9.973797
    20 nepalese-a_xing @ 10.670413

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% kashmiri-pahari_harappa +50% punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.570957

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% kalash_hgdp +25% kurmi_metspalu +25% punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.670888


    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 ap-hyderabad_harappa + bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.435542
    2 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + meghawal_metspalu + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.501520
    3 kalash_hgdp + kurmi_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.518137
    4 kalash_hgdp + kerala-nair_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.635544
    5 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + naidu_reich @ 1.654710
    6 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + tamil_harappa @ 1.663279
    7 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + kurmi_metspalu + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.670888
    8 bhatia_harappa + hallaki_reich + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp @ 1.681722
    9 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 1.686624
    10 kalash_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_reich @ 1.687879
    11 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kashmiri_harappa + meghawal_metspalu @ 1.695402
    12 kalash_hgdp + meghawal_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.704375
    13 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu @ 1.706790
    14 kalash_hgdp + kurmi_metspalu + punjabi-khatri_harappa + sindhi_harappa @ 1.722770
    15 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_reich @ 1.748423
    16 kalash_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 1.750715
    17 goan_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.761668
    18 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + meghawal_metspalu + punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 1.773564
    19 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + karnataka_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.779040
    20 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 1.787297

    Her brother's:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.92
    2 S-Indian 30.44
    3 Caucasian 12.84
    4 NE-Euro 9.89
    5 American 2.27
    6 SW-Asian 2.14
    7 Mediterranean 1.40
    8 Siberian 1.11


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 3.527625
    2 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 3.609246
    3 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 4.381099
    4 punjabi_harappa @ 4.458017
    5 kashmiri_harappa @ 4.732429
    6 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 4.865409
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 4.908682
    8 sindhi_harappa @ 5.145169
    9 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 5.258000
    10 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 5.498528
    11 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 6.077882
    12 punjabi-arain_xing @ 6.126356
    13 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 6.769122
    14 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 7.431261
    15 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 7.497385
    16 pathan_hgdp @ 8.317996
    17 up-muslim_harappa @ 8.324320
    18 bhatia_harappa @ 8.412350
    19 sindhi_hgdp @ 8.486679
    20 nepali_harappa @ 9.973632

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% punjabi-brahmin_harappa +50% sindhi_harappa @ 2.397844


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% pathan_hgdp +25% punjabi-khatri_harappa +25% tn-brahmin_xing @ 1.873780


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 meena_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.761970
    2 punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 1.826327
    3 pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + tn-brahmin_xing @ 1.873780
    4 iyer-brahmin_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.878946
    5 kashmiri-pandit_reich + punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.896658
    6 bhatia_harappa + cochin-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 1.922951
    7 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.944027
    8 meghawal_reich + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.951475
    9 punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.957248
    10 pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.960928
    11 meghawal_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp @ 1.973240
    12 karnataka-brahmin_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.973331
    13 punjabi_harappa + punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.979964
    14 ap-brahmin_xing + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.997090
    15 bhatia_harappa + kashmiri-pandit_reich + punjabi-khatri_harappa + up-muslim_harappa @ 1.998266
    16 gujarati_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.001935
    17 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 2.013667
    18 bhatia_harappa + brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu + gujarati-muslim_harappa + kalash_hgdp @ 2.014724
    19 gujarati-b_hapmap + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.015260
    20 iyengar-brahmin_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.015270

    As you'll see, the results seem to fit perfectly with other northern Punjabi/potohari birardaris.

    Their y-dna is R-Y6.

    My personal conclusion is that the Awans were a collection of local peoples who, at some point in history, coalesced and assumed a single caste identity based on fabled descent from Qutb Shah. So far I've seen R1a and J2 Hgs but would be interesting to see more results to give us a clearer picture, as you say.

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    Hi, I am paternally Awan through my dad, so I am not sure if posting my Harrappa results would be beneficial. However, my Y-Haplogroup is J2b2 > Z8316 C+ (tested through YSEQ.) My late grandfather, who was full Awan ancestry wise mentioned that we come from the same descent as the Nawabs of Kalabagh although our family is from a younger branch that separated in late 17 century or so. I am not sure if there is any other Awan here who is patrilineal descended from the Nawab of Kalabaghs family who can check their Y-haplogroup with mine. My grandfather's village is in Khushab.

    As for who Awans are, I agree with @Ahmed Ali above that Awans are a mixture of various people who became Muslim early on through the same Sufi saint or group, hence why the "Awan" identity is found amongst such people as Khokhars, Chauhans and Khattars etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Ali View Post
    My grandmother is paternally an Awan. Her father was from Pindgheb in Attock but the family moved around a bit (Naushera, Peshawar etc.) due to business and military service. Here are her and her brother's results - although bear in mind their mother was non-Awan and probably a Hazarewal from Mansehra.

    Naani:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 40.39
    2 S-Indian 32.17
    3 Caucasian 13.45
    4 NE-Euro 8.60
    5 American 2.27
    6 SW-Asian 1.16

    Using 1 population approximation:

    1 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 2.628586
    2 punjabi_harappa @ 3.897609
    3 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 4.282465
    4 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 4.482181
    5 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 4.793001
    6 kashmiri_harappa @ 5.002299
    7 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 5.126233
    8 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 5.183880
    9 punjabi-arain_xing @ 6.089355
    10 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 6.373230
    11 sindhi_harappa @ 6.425563
    12 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.464139
    13 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 6.849933
    14 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 7.141775
    15 up-muslim_harappa @ 8.219748
    16 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 8.449892
    17 sindhi_hgdp @ 8.617720
    18 bhatia_harappa @ 9.665194
    19 pathan_hgdp @ 9.973797
    20 nepalese-a_xing @ 10.670413

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% kashmiri-pahari_harappa +50% punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.570957

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% kalash_hgdp +25% kurmi_metspalu +25% punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.670888


    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 ap-hyderabad_harappa + bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.435542
    2 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + meghawal_metspalu + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.501520
    3 kalash_hgdp + kurmi_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.518137
    4 kalash_hgdp + kerala-nair_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.635544
    5 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + naidu_reich @ 1.654710
    6 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + tamil_harappa @ 1.663279
    7 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + kurmi_metspalu + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.670888
    8 bhatia_harappa + hallaki_reich + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp @ 1.681722
    9 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 1.686624
    10 kalash_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_reich @ 1.687879
    11 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kashmiri_harappa + meghawal_metspalu @ 1.695402
    12 kalash_hgdp + meghawal_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.704375
    13 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu @ 1.706790
    14 kalash_hgdp + kurmi_metspalu + punjabi-khatri_harappa + sindhi_harappa @ 1.722770
    15 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_reich @ 1.748423
    16 kalash_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + velama_metspalu @ 1.750715
    17 goan_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.761668
    18 kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + meghawal_metspalu + punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 1.773564
    19 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + karnataka_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.779040
    20 bhatia_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + singapore-indian-a_sgvp @ 1.787297

    Her brother's:

    # Population Percent
    1 Baloch 39.92
    2 S-Indian 30.44
    3 Caucasian 12.84
    4 NE-Euro 9.89
    5 American 2.27
    6 SW-Asian 2.14
    7 Mediterranean 1.40
    8 Siberian 1.11


    Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
    16 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 3.527625
    2 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 3.609246
    3 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 4.381099
    4 punjabi_harappa @ 4.458017
    5 kashmiri_harappa @ 4.732429
    6 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 4.865409
    7 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 4.908682
    8 sindhi_harappa @ 5.145169
    9 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 5.258000
    10 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 5.498528
    11 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 6.077882
    12 punjabi-arain_xing @ 6.126356
    13 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 6.769122
    14 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 7.431261
    15 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 7.497385
    16 pathan_hgdp @ 8.317996
    17 up-muslim_harappa @ 8.324320
    18 bhatia_harappa @ 8.412350
    19 sindhi_hgdp @ 8.486679
    20 nepali_harappa @ 9.973632

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% punjabi-brahmin_harappa +50% sindhi_harappa @ 2.397844


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% pathan_hgdp +25% punjabi-khatri_harappa +25% tn-brahmin_xing @ 1.873780


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 meena_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.761970
    2 punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 1.826327
    3 pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + tn-brahmin_xing @ 1.873780
    4 iyer-brahmin_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.878946
    5 kashmiri-pandit_reich + punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.896658
    6 bhatia_harappa + cochin-jew_behar + kalash_hgdp + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 1.922951
    7 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-muslim_harappa + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.944027
    8 meghawal_reich + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.951475
    9 punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.957248
    10 pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 1.960928
    11 meghawal_metspalu + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp @ 1.973240
    12 karnataka-brahmin_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.973331
    13 punjabi_harappa + punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.979964
    14 ap-brahmin_xing + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.997090
    15 bhatia_harappa + kashmiri-pandit_reich + punjabi-khatri_harappa + up-muslim_harappa @ 1.998266
    16 gujarati_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.001935
    17 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 2.013667
    18 bhatia_harappa + brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu + gujarati-muslim_harappa + kalash_hgdp @ 2.014724
    19 gujarati-b_hapmap + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.015260
    20 iyengar-brahmin_harappa + pathan_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.015270

    As you'll see, the results seem to fit perfectly with other northern Punjabi/potohari birardaris.

    Their y-dna is R-Y6.

    My personal conclusion is that the Awans were a collection of local peoples who, at some point in history, coalesced and assumed a single caste identity based on fabled descent from Qutb Shah. So far I've seen R1a and J2 Hgs but would be interesting to see more results to give us a clearer picture, as you say.
    Are Awans a tribal group or a caste? Or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Are Awans a tribal group or a caste? Or both?
    From Wiki: Awan (Punjabi: Shahmukhi:اعوان, Gurmukhi:ਅਵਾਨ) (Urdu: اعوان‎) is a tribe living predominantly in northern, central, and western parts of Pakistani Punjab, with significant numbers also present in Khyber, Azad Kashmir, and to a lesser extent in Sindh and Balochistan. They can also be found in Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlluGobi View Post
    From Wiki: Awan (Punjabi: Shahmukhi:اعوان, Gurmukhi:ਅਵਾਨ) (Urdu: اعوان‎) is a tribe living predominantly in northern, central, and western parts of Pakistani Punjab, with significant numbers also present in Khyber, Azad Kashmir, and to a lesser extent in Sindh and Balochistan. They can also be found in Afghanistan.
    Welcome back, Butt Sb!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    Welcome back, Butt Sb!
    i think technically he's not butt lol probably "malik ji"
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    Quote Originally Posted by karnalIroh View Post
    i think technically he's not butt lol probably "malik ji"
    Seyi aakhne o Tussan, Butt Sb!

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    Seyi aakhne o Tussan, Butt Sb!
    Is this Pothwari? Sounds like a mixture of Saraiki and Punjabi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Is this Pothwari? Sounds like a mixture of Saraiki and Punjabi.
    Pothwari.

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