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    Question Origin of S47 and Z44?

    Which is the origin of the haplogroups S47 and Z44?
    And where is it mainly located?

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    Here's my best guess
    Most of my family is from Tennessee, though a few of my ancestors are from adjacent areas of North Carolina and Georgia. My paternal line is positive for Z30682, underneath J-Z7671 and Y11200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackss View Post
    Which is the origin of the haplogroups S47 and Z44?
    And where is it mainly located?
    At the moment I think that S47 is a Ligurian Sea haplogroup. It has 2 main branches, CTS12976 and Z44, and appears to have the distinctive marker of DYS455=10.

    CTS12976 has members in numerous European countries with a possible concentration in the Ligurian Sea area.
    Z44 has a very different modern distribution (No French for eg). The earlier branches on the Z44 block tree are Spain (3 men CTS1370 and BY3964) and Italy (1 BY3954). There then is a large British surname group of men who are downstream of BY3949 that appear to trace back to 3 surnames from northwest England. With DYS455=10, Z44 also has the marker of DYS392=14 (Spain) or 15 (Italy and Britain).

    Why the interest? Do you think you are S47 or Z44?
    Last edited by G Livesey; 10-05-2020 at 09:52 PM.
    R-U152>Z56>Z46>Z48>Z44>BY66065
    U5b2a2b
    Ancestry DNA 2020; England NW Europe 55%, Scotland 19%, Ireland 10%, Sweden 8%, Norway 6%, Wales 2%
    Ancestry DNA 2019; England, Wales, NW Europe 86%, Norway 7%, Sweden 7%
    Ancestry DNA 2018; England, Wales, NW Europe 91%, Norway 9%
    Original Ancestry DNA; Europe West 54%, Great Britain 23%, Wales/Scotland/Ireland 13%; Scandinavia 7%; Iberian Peninsula 2%
    FTDNA; British Isles 81%, West and Central Europe 18%
    Paper Trail; England 87.5%, Wales 12.5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Livesey View Post
    At the moment I think that S47 is a Ligurian Sea haplogroup. It has 2 main branches, CTS12976 and Z44, and appears to have the distinctive marker of DYS455=10.

    CTS12976 has members in numerous European countries with a possible concentration in the Ligurian Sea area.
    Z44 has a very different modern distribution (No French for eg). The earlier branches on the Z44 block tree are Spain (3 men CTS1370 and BY3964) and Italy (1 BY3954). There then is a large British surname group of men who are downstream of BY3949 that appear to trace back to 3 surnames from northwest England. With DYS455=10, Z44 also has the marker of DYS392=14 (Spain) or 15 (Italy and Britain).

    Why the interest? Do you think you are S47 or Z44?
    Yes, I think I am S47 and Z44 because when I upload my results on other websites such as Geneanet, WeGene among others, I usually get that I am S47 and that the next most likely subclade is Z44, and once they told me that Z44 is common in Western Europeans but I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackss View Post
    Yes, I think I am S47 and Z44 because when I upload my results on other websites such as Geneanet, WeGene among others, I usually get that I am S47 and that the next most likely subclade is Z44, and once they told me that Z44 is common in Western Europeans but I'm not sure.
    https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

    Have you tried this site yet? File upload is at the bottom and you can leave the text box blank
    Most of my family is from Tennessee, though a few of my ancestors are from adjacent areas of North Carolina and Georgia. My paternal line is positive for Z30682, underneath J-Z7671 and Y11200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackss View Post
    Yes, I think I am S47 and Z44 because when I upload my results on other websites such as Geneanet, WeGene among others, I usually get that I am S47 and that the next most likely subclade is Z44, and once they told me that Z44 is common in Western Europeans but I'm not sure.
    Not sure who you have tested with and what results you may have, but you could join the R-Z56 Y-DNA Project. (Hopefully you are at least Z56)
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...ubclades/about.
    R-U152>Z56>Z46>Z48>Z44>BY66065
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    Ancestry DNA 2020; England NW Europe 55%, Scotland 19%, Ireland 10%, Sweden 8%, Norway 6%, Wales 2%
    Ancestry DNA 2019; England, Wales, NW Europe 86%, Norway 7%, Sweden 7%
    Ancestry DNA 2018; England, Wales, NW Europe 91%, Norway 9%
    Original Ancestry DNA; Europe West 54%, Great Britain 23%, Wales/Scotland/Ireland 13%; Scandinavia 7%; Iberian Peninsula 2%
    FTDNA; British Isles 81%, West and Central Europe 18%
    Paper Trail; England 87.5%, Wales 12.5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Livesey View Post
    Not sure who you have tested with and what results you may have, but you could join the R-Z56 Y-DNA Project. (Hopefully you are at least Z56)
    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...ubclades/about.
    I'm was tested in LivingDNA and 23andme, both get me U152

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheepslayer View Post
    https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

    Have you tried this site yet? File upload is at the bottom and you can leave the text box blank
    Yes, I did it, and I get S47 and the possible subclade that belonged was Z44

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackss View Post
    Yes, I did it, and I get S47 and the possible subclade that belonged was Z44
    Do you have STR results for DYS455 and DYS392?
    R-U152>Z56>Z46>Z48>Z44>BY66065
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    Ancestry DNA 2020; England NW Europe 55%, Scotland 19%, Ireland 10%, Sweden 8%, Norway 6%, Wales 2%
    Ancestry DNA 2019; England, Wales, NW Europe 86%, Norway 7%, Sweden 7%
    Ancestry DNA 2018; England, Wales, NW Europe 91%, Norway 9%
    Original Ancestry DNA; Europe West 54%, Great Britain 23%, Wales/Scotland/Ireland 13%; Scandinavia 7%; Iberian Peninsula 2%
    FTDNA; British Isles 81%, West and Central Europe 18%
    Paper Trail; England 87.5%, Wales 12.5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Livesey View Post
    Do you have STR results for DYS455 and DYS392?
    STR? is that an Y-DNA predictor?

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