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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    I ordered an upgrade from bigY 500 to 700 on behalf of a distant y dna match. Ordered 12/1 so he shouldn’t be too much longer based on you 700 turn around time
    Honestly, I was hoping for a U152 result. I thought that was a possibility, and it would have been cool.

    Okay, another L21 subclade. Alright. Not bad.

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    By the way, this absolutely and irrevocably separates Groups 1 and 2 in the Gist and Variants Project. The two groups belong to clades of R1b-P312 that are separated by many centuries.

    We really already knew that via the STR results, but this sews it up.

    Nathaniel Gist (1707) and William Gist (1711) were not biological brothers.

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    My maternal grandfather was I2a2a1b2a1b1>Y4925, so altogether different from me. Most likely either a Anglo-Saxon or Viking arrival to England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    BIG news for me this morning on the Gist front: kit 25861, my maternal grandfather's 4th cousin once removed, got his Big Y-700 results.

    Drum roll, please.

    His terminal SNP makes him R1b-FGC59523.

    Here's the complete phylogeny under R-M207:

    M207>M173>M343>L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>L51>P310> L151>P312>Z290> L21>DF13>ZZ10>Z253>FGC3268>ZZ6>BY43439>BY4303>FGC59516>FGC59535> FGC59523

    I put the really salient SNPs in bold, at least based on what I was looking for.

    So, yeah, turns out I am R1b-L21 on both sides of my family tree. My maternal grandfather's line belonged to the Z253 branch of L21.

    Okay, I was hoping for something a little more exotic, but I'm still pleased.

    So, did my maternal grandfather have that same terminal SNP, FGC59523? Not sure about that. Maybe some branching occurred a step or two back up the phylogeny. I do not know. The mrca of kit 25861 and my grandfather is Nathaniel Gist. He was born about 1707, so there could be a difference in terminal SNPs, but at least this gets me in the neighborhood.

    Once again, thank You, God! I am grateful for these results.
    These Big Y-700 results are what I was occupied with at the computer upstairs at home before I took a fall down the stairs and spent the next couple of days in the hospital.

    I had been full of the joy of new results and of finding out about my maternal grandfather's Y-chromosome line. By the time I got back home, as the sun was setting on Christmas Eve, pain had taken joy's place.

    Oh, well. I'm still alive, thank God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    BIG news for me this morning on the Gist front: kit 25861, my maternal grandfather's 4th cousin once removed, got his Big Y-700 results.

    Drum roll, please.

    His terminal SNP makes him R1b-FGC59523.

    Here's the complete phylogeny under R-M207:

    M207>M173>M343>L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>L51>P310> L151>P312>Z290> L21>DF13>ZZ10>Z253>FGC3268>ZZ6>BY43439>BY4303>FGC59516>FGC59535> FGC59523

    I put the really salient SNPs in bold, at least based on what I was looking for.

    So, yeah, turns out I am R1b-L21 on both sides of my family tree. My maternal grandfather's line belonged to the Z253 branch of L21.

    Okay, I was hoping for something a little more exotic, but I'm still pleased.

    So, did my maternal grandfather have that same terminal SNP, FGC59523? Not sure about that. Maybe some branching occurred a step or two back up the phylogeny. I do not know. The mrca of kit 25861 and my grandfather is Nathaniel Gist. He was born about 1707, so there could be a difference in terminal SNPs, but at least this gets me in the neighborhood.

    Once again, thank You, God! I am grateful for these results.
    Well, I jumped the gun a little bit in posting all of that above, although most of it is right. I went with what FTDNA had on my Gist relative's Big Y Block Tree, which showed his terminal SNP as FGC59523. In doing some checking afterwards, I found there were other places in which FTDNA was reporting his terminal SNP as FGC37526, so I emailed them and asked about it.

    To make a long story short, it turns out kit 25861 is ancestral (negative) for FGC59523 but derived (positive) for FGC37526, which should necessitate a change to the tree, since the two SNPs had been thought to be on the same phylogenetic level.

    Currently, however, FTDNA is listing kit 25861 as R1b-FGC59516, which is a couple of steps back up the tree.

    So, I'm going to back off and wait to see how everything shakes out.
    Last edited by rms2; 12-30-2020 at 12:18 AM.

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    Just before I went to bed last night, FTDNA updated the status of my Gist relative (kit 25861) to show him as R-BY93500 (R1b-BY93500). I would have stayed up to find out more, but his Block Tree and Haplotree & SNPs thingies just kept cycling round and round, so I gave up and went to bed.

    This morning, however, the update is complete. BY93500 is part of a block of SNPs thought to be all on the same level and parallel to FGC59535 and everything under it, including FGC59523. So, kit 25861's Big Y-700 results have led to a consequential change in the Y-chromosome phylogenetic tree, at least for him and others in that part of it.

    Very cool.

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    Great news, at least from my point of view: A new Big Y-700 order in the Gist and Variants Project, this one from someone in Group 2. This is the first Big Y-700 for Group 2, so it's important, and a trail blazer. There are a couple of a la carte R1b-DF83 results in that group, but DF83 isn't far enough downstream to tell us that much. I'm really looking forward to these Big Y-700 results.

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    I made this R1b-BY93500 Gist stair-step tree. Of course, for the sake of brevity, single SNPs are standing in for entire blocks of SNPs currently regarded as being on the same level (when we know they're not all really on the same level).

    I know it's an unsophisticated product of Paint, but I'm pretty pleased with it, since I pulled it off while suffering from two broken wrists (the only two I have available), the right one encased in a big cast.

    Devon is where the Gist surname is most frequent.

    Gist_BY93500 stair-step tree.jpg

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