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    Also interesting that I plot within the Belgium/France cluster. I sometimes get French, Belgium, and Dutch results on other calculators but don’t quite understand why. I suppose names from my dad’s side like Lauder, Kerr, and Jarvie Contribute to this result?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadegreg View Post
    That seems like a perfectly reasonable assumption. But what do you think is going on with the branch/cluster shared by Hujibregts, FionnSneachta and Bygdedwelle. Similarly, the branch/cluster that I myself and Radboud are in. I would really be interested in your thoughts.

    I was thinking the original orientation made the most sense with respect to geography of the populations

    Attachment 40386 as opposed to

    Attachment 40387

    But now I'm not sure....
    I'll really need my computer to elaborate on my vision of what this plot represents.. hopefully I can hand my kid off to my wife soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMAC View Post
    Also interesting that I plot within the Belgium/France cluster. I sometimes get French, Belgium, and Dutch results on other calculators but don’t quite understand why. I suppose names from my dad’s side like Lauder, Kerr, and Jarvie Contribute to this result?
    You're Scottish? yeah it doesn't really plot you where expected but that's the fun of this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadegreg View Post
    That seems like a perfectly reasonable assumption. But what do you think is going on with the branch/cluster shared by Hujibregts, FionnSneachta and Bygdedwelle. Similarly, the branch/cluster that I myself and Radboud are in. I would really be interested in your thoughts.

    I was thinking the original orientation made the most sense with respect to geography of the populations

    Attachment 40386 as opposed to

    Attachment 40387

    But now I'm not sure....

    Haha, look at the label of the axis. I flipped the dimensions.
    But I think you right. It looks more natural with the dimension UMAP1 on the y-axis.

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    I'm thinking of this as a cline from least northern-like to most northern-like, I hope the blue lines I've drawn kind of show how I'm visualizing this. The group at the top-right consists of Evon's people, Finn's people, Bydweller (sp? sorry) The third most Northern group is probably the most typical "NW" type, containing most of our Irish members, incl. Nqp and timberwolf. The second most Northern group, in between this and the Scando-dutch group lies Jessie, who often gets Icelandic similarities autosomally, so I think that's a good placement for her. One step down are Garimund and (Is it Angle's dad?) who are on the edge of the typical NW/British/Irish group/cline. Finally, Kellebel's K, KM and KG lie at the other end of this cline.
    I never place expectations on the Dutch (okay, mostly Huijbregts - Finn's people can be relied on!) or Angles' people as they can fall in atypical positions. What does look a bit out of place is "D" and "j" who I would both expect to be more northern, although JMcB "j" does have a bit of Italian and some German ancestry which could pull him back a bit.

    The TL;DR explaining what I think most of us really care about... Highly germanic at the end of the cline. Highly Insular "Celtic" like is third from the end. Jessie's in the middle - that checks out IMO. Nqp, you're smack in the middle of my imagined "Celtic" cluster so that should make you happy.
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    Looking at the plot I see I am closest to g and KD I take g will be Garimund KD is ?

    Sorry to ask I have only just come back to the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    You're Scottish? yeah it doesn't really plot you where expected but that's the fun of this stuff.
    My grandparents are all Scottish. But my paternal grandfather was born to a Jewish man and his mother was a Lauder. The European Jewish probably contributes to this position as well. European Jewish came as a surprise as my grandfather was adopted and raised in an Irish Catholic home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMAC View Post
    My grandparents are all Scottish. But my paternal grandfather was born to a Jewish man and his mother was a Lauder. The European Jewish probably contributes to this position as well. European Jewish came as a surprise as my grandfather was adopted and raised in an Irish Catholic home.
    Ah okay, that's quite southern, Jewish.. so that's why your pulled downwards. Makes sense then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huijbregts View Post
    Haha, look at the label of the axis. I flipped the dimensions.
    But I think you right. It looks more natural with the dimension UMAP1 on the y-axis.
    That's what I thought at first, given the position of the Estonians in genetic NE, and Sardinians in genetic SC. That's what I asked about earlier, but re-reading it's clear why you didn't understand what I was asking. I wish I had the excuse of English not being my 1st language, but there we go..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    HuijbUMAPanthlines.png

    I'm thinking of this as a cline from least northern-like to most northern-like, I hope the blue lines I've drawn kind of show how I'm visualizing this. The group at the top-right consists of Evon's people, Finn's people, Bydweller (sp? sorry) The third most Northern group is probably the most typical "NW" type, containing most of our Irish members, incl. Nqp and timberwolf. The second most Northern group, in between this and the Scando-dutch group lies Jessie, who often gets Icelandic similarities autosomally, so I think that's a good placement for her. One step down are Garimund and (Is it Angle's dad?) who are on the edge of the typical NW/British/Irish group/cline. Finally, Kellebel's K, KM and KG lie at the other end of this cline.
    I never place expectations on the Dutch (okay, mostly Huijbregts - Finn's people can be relied on!) or Angles' people as they can fall in atypical positions. What does look a bit out of place is "D" and "j" who I would both expect to be more northern, although JMcB "j" does have a bit of Italian and some German ancestry which could pull him back a bit.

    The TL;DR explaining what I think most of us really care about... Highly germanic at the end of the cline. Highly Insular "Celtic" like is third from the end. Jessie's in the middle - that checks out IMO. Nqp, you're smack in the middle of my imagined "Celtic" cluster so that should make you happy.
    HuijbUMAPanthrotated.png

    We can rotate it to get a bit of a different perspective on this too
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English (possibly containing some Welsh ancestry) 31.25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, Eastern German 12.5%, Eastern European (Likely Polish possibly including Romanian) 12.5%, French 7.81%, Native American (Saulteaux and Assiniboine) 2.34%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be traced with certainty. With certainty, there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English.

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