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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Ah okay, that's quite southern, Jewish.. so that's why your pulled downwards. Makes sense then.
    Yep, makes perfect sense. My father (NW European) usually plots around Southern England and my mother (Jewish) plots around Crete, so I tend to end up somewhere in Northern Italy. It stands to reason that even having 1/8 Jewish heritage would have that effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by DMAC View Post
    My grandparents are all Scottish. But my paternal grandfather was born to a Jewish man and his mother was a Lauder. The European Jewish probably contributes to this position as well. European Jewish came as a surprise as my grandfather was adopted and raised in an Irish Catholic home.
    Just to clarify, did your grandfather have one Jewish parent or two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
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    I'm thinking of this as a cline from least northern-like to most northern-like, I hope the blue lines I've drawn kind of show how I'm visualizing this. The group at the top-right consists of Evon's people, Finn's people, Bydweller (sp? sorry) The third most Northern group is probably the most typical "NW" type, containing most of our Irish members, incl. Nqp and timberwolf. The second most Northern group, in between this and the Scando-dutch group lies Jessie, who often gets Icelandic similarities autosomally, so I think that's a good placement for her. One step down are Garimund and (Is it Angle's dad?) who are on the edge of the typical NW/British/Irish group/cline. Finally, Kellebel's K, KM and KG lie at the other end of this cline.
    I never place expectations on the Dutch (okay, mostly Huijbregts - Finn's people can be relied on!) or Angles' people as they can fall in atypical positions. What does look a bit out of place is "D" and "j" who I would both expect to be more northern, although JMcB "j" does have a bit of Italian and some German ancestry which could pull him back a bit.

    The TL;DR explaining what I think most of us really care about... Highly germanic at the end of the cline. Highly Insular "Celtic" like is third from the end. Jessie's in the middle - that checks out IMO. Nqp, you're smack in the middle of my imagined "Celtic" cluster so that should make you happy.
    Yup, can get on board with that. Go you have any thoughts about genetic East and West with respect to the plot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
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    I'm thinking of this as a cline from least northern-like to most northern-like, I hope the blue lines I've drawn kind of show how I'm visualizing this. The group at the top-right consists of Evon's people, Finn's people, Bydweller (sp? sorry) The third most Northern group is probably the most typical "NW" type, containing most of our Irish members, incl. Nqp and timberwolf. The second most Northern group, in between this and the Scando-dutch group lies Jessie, who often gets Icelandic similarities autosomally, so I think that's a good placement for her. One step down are Garimund and (Is it Angle's dad?) who are on the edge of the typical NW/British/Irish group/cline. Finally, Kellebel's K, KM and KG lie at the other end of this cline.
    I never place expectations on the Dutch (okay, mostly Huijbregts - Finn's people can be relied on!) or Angles' people as they can fall in atypical positions. What does look a bit out of place is "D" and "j" who I would both expect to be more northern, although JMcB "j" does have a bit of Italian and some German ancestry which could pull him back a bit.

    The TL;DR explaining what I think most of us really care about... Highly germanic at the end of the cline. Highly Insular "Celtic" like is third from the end. Jessie's in the middle - that checks out IMO. Nqp, you're smack in the middle of my imagined "Celtic" cluster so that should make you happy.
    AD is my father - Aroon 1916’s Dad, AM is my mother - Aroon 1916’s Mom and I am A-Aroon 1916. My father is definitely half Irish. The 3 of us are a mixture of English and Irish Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aroon1916 View Post
    AD is my father - Aroon 1916’s Dad, AM is my mother - Aroon 1916’s Mom and I am A-Aroon 1916. My father is definitely half Irish. The 3 of us are a mixture of English and Irish Hope this helps.
    Your position is in line with that
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English (possibly containing some Welsh ancestry) 31.25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, Eastern German 12.5%, Eastern European (Likely Polish possibly including Romanian) 12.5%, French 7.81%, Native American (Saulteaux and Assiniboine) 2.34%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be traced with certainty. With certainty, there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadegreg View Post
    Yup, can get on board with that. Go you have any thoughts about genetic East and West with respect to the plot?
    No my thoughts on that are that the plot is confusing when these sides are considered but when they are no longer considered a pattern that's generally in line with our genetic averages emerges

    Edit, to add that just because that's how I see this at this time doesn't mean that there is no pattern or value to the "sidelines" of this plot.
    Last edited by sktibo; 10-18-2020 at 06:32 AM.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English (possibly containing some Welsh ancestry) 31.25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, Eastern German 12.5%, Eastern European (Likely Polish possibly including Romanian) 12.5%, French 7.81%, Native American (Saulteaux and Assiniboine) 2.34%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be traced with certainty. With certainty, there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Your position is in line with that
    Makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timberwolf View Post
    Looking at the plot I see I am closest to g and KD I take g will be Garimund KD is ?

    Sorry to ask I have only just come back to the thread.
    KD is Kellebei dad i guess ; I'm t closest to q and PM (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by passenger View Post
    Yep, makes perfect sense. My father (NW European) usually plots around Southern England and my mother (Jewish) plots around Crete, so I tend to end up somewhere in Northern Italy. It stands to reason that even having 1/8 Jewish heritage would have that effect.

    Just to clarify, did your grandfather have one Jewish parent or two?
    Just one Jewish parent. His mothers lauder line originated from Berwickshire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMAC View Post
    Just one Jewish parent. His mothers lauder line originated from Berwickshire.
    So that's 1/8 Jewish ancestry? how much borders ancestry do you have? could you share your paper trail in terms of shires or counties of Scotland?
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English (possibly containing some Welsh ancestry) 31.25%, Scottish 17.96%, Scotch-Irish 12.5%, Eastern German 12.5%, Eastern European (Likely Polish possibly including Romanian) 12.5%, French 7.81%, Native American (Saulteaux and Assiniboine) 2.34%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be traced with certainty. With certainty, there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English.

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    This is like Where's Wally but I can't find my mother on that plot. I'm just not looking in the right place.

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