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    Thank you Huijbregts, your work is absolutely fabulous! That difference between North Dutch and South Dutch never fails to amaze me, considering how small the Netherlands is.

    On a total egocentric sidenote, I would've expected my mother to get more Belgian neighbours and if not, atleast some German ones, but somehow she's surrounded by French people.
    (I mean, "expected" taking into account her (as far as) known ancestry on paper and compared to her mother - not necessarily the results she usually gets genetically-wise, which are in fact very much in line with these ones.)

    Father: Distance 0.01665853 | 65.2 Dutch / 20.2 French / 12.2 German / 2.4 Italian
    Mother: Distance 0.01487968 | 75.0 Belgian / 15.0 French / 5.2 Italian / 4.8 German

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    The umap R-package has a feature that allows to project a set on a pre-existing umap object. Did anyone of you try it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellebel View Post
    Thank you Huijbregts, your work is absolutely fabulous! That difference between North Dutch and South Dutch never fails to amaze me, considering how small the Netherlands is.

    On a total egocentric sidenote, I would've expected my mother to get more Belgian neighbours and if not, atleast some German ones, but somehow she's surrounded by French people.
    (I mean, "expected" taking into account her (as far as) known ancestry on paper and compared to her mother - not necessarily the results she usually gets genetically-wise, which are in fact very much in line with these ones.)
    Yes, I too am often surprised by the French-leaning character of the Belgian samples.
    Maybe a remnant of the 80-years war: this war started in the present Belgium and many Belgians fled to the present Netherlands. In the next centuries they were partly replaced by immigrants from France.

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    Is there a way to run this online, in the same way as with Vahaduo etc? As I am still restricted to my phone, but I would like to look at this in more detail, and add me and my grandmother to see if anything new pops up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Is there a way to run this online, in the same way as with Vahaduo etc? As I am still restricted to my phone, but I would like to look at this in more detail, and add me and my grandmother to see if anything new pops up.
    Not yet.
    If you want to I can add you and your grandmother, send me your unscaled data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellebel View Post
    Thank you Huijbregts, your work is absolutely fabulous! That difference between North Dutch and South Dutch never fails to amaze me, considering how small the Netherlands is.
    Could it be related to the reclaimed land in the North West? I would not be surprised if the northern Dutch gene pool consists of former islanders that became part of the main land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huijbregts View Post
    Not yet.
    If you want to I can add you and your grandmother, send me your unscaled data.
    It would be interesting if you'd eventually add forum members whose data you have, I guess most would be interested in that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    It would be interesting if you'd eventually add forum members whose data you have, I guess most would be interested in that
    I have data of many members, but they are all over my hard disk. I have only kept apart the Dutch members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evon View Post
    Could it be related to the reclaimed land in the North West? I would not be surprised if the northern Dutch gene pool consists of former islanders that became part of the main land.
    That's too wild IMO.

    North Dutch always was a part of the North European Plain between the North Sea and the Baltics, so the circulation of the gene pool was primarily in that area (North Germany/ Southern Scandinavia). Funnelbeakers, Single Grave, NE Dutch Bell Beakers all were prominent (and may be even unique) above the Rhine. During migration time the Saxons, Chauken (originally Elb Germans), Jutes and may be even some West Norwegians (elite) came in

    Beneath the Rhine in the Southern Netherlands (South Dutch) the circulation is much more Central West European, with Southwest Germany, Northern France and also some Roman influences (the Roman Limes was along the Rhine). The migration time influence was from the Rhineland Germans aka Franks, but I don't know if this was more an elite migration and the movement was may be not as big as in the North from the Elb Germans and Scandics.

    So in fact (may be exaggerated) we don't share not a common genepool....in our stamp big country...above and beneath Rhine even more with such Sweden vs France results

    This map for the 80th birthday of Bronze Age Archeologist JJ Butler, reveals much:
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    Some uralic-speaking groups, along with some siberian ancient groups. A dream for those who hate the overlapping. (I used the R-package, with the default settings, without Python-learning).
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