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    Genotype "autosomal 23andme format"
    Nakht-Ankh "priest"

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/p2v9f4...-Ankh.txt/file

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Saite View Post
    I think you try to be little wily in your responses Beyoko. Sorry to say that, And I think that also on purpose you try to mix things up (maybe you think we are in a competition of a winner and a loser here?).
    Anyways Why you didn't include Aswan? It's is an Ethnic Egyptian important city and as far as Elephantine are an Ancient Egyptian very ordinary Saidi inhabiting areas.
    Aswan had been the domain of Cushitic peoples until the Egyptian and Sudanic Nubian invasions:




    The A-Group flourished until it was destroyed by pharaohs of Egypt’s First Dynasty around 3100 BC. Much of northern Nubia was not inhabited for centuries afterwards, at least partly because of Egyptian military action. There is evidence of some occupation during this time, however; a settlement at Buhen near the 2nd cataract, with Egyptian and Nubian pottery, may have been a base for trade or copper working during the Egyptian Old Kingdom (2686–2125 BC).The Early A-Group inhabited the northern part of Lower Nubia and was contemporary with the latter part of Egypt’s Amratian, culture and early Gerzian. The richest cemetery was located at Khor Bahan. This phase was also coexistent with a Sudanese Neolithic culture called the Abkan, which dominated the region at the Second Cataract in Batn el-Hagar. The true relationship between the Egyptian Predynastic culture and the Early A-Group is not yet fully understood. The Middle A-Group was contemporary with Egypt’s middle Gerzian and is considered to be a formative phase of the A-Group proper. The communities in Lower Nubia and the northern part of Batn el-Hagar developed a uniform culture, characterized by lively contacts with Egypt but also with Upper Nubia. There was a clear and unbroken continuation as regards traditions and social development between Middle A-Group and the subsequent Terminal phase.The Terminal A-Group was coexistent with Egypt’s unification stage (end of Gerzian) and the initial part of the First Dynasty. Cultural and economic exchange along the Nubian part of the Nile valley was intensified during this period of prosperity and population growth.





    Small circular houses with stone foundations, handmade ceramics with elaborate incised decoration, and graves covered with circular stone mounds are features that C-Group shared with earlier Nubian A-Group and Pre-Kerma cultures. But the importance of cattle in the C-Group, shown in its burial stelae, pottery, figurines, and rock drawings, also links it firmly to the African cattle cultures that began in the Neolithic and then spread across sub-Saharan Africa via the proto-cushites.The C - Group appears in the late third millennium BC (about the time of the Sixth Dynasty in Egypt). It is found in about the same area as the A-Group from the late Third to mid-second millennium BC (about the time of the 6th to early 18th Dynasty in Egypt). There are only a few settlement sites known, showing the C - Group people lived in huts; later there were fortified settlements.During the Egyptian Sixth Dynasty, Lower Nubia is described of consisting of a number of small states, three of which are named: Setju, Wawat, and Irjet. In the Middle Kingdom Lower Nubia was occupied by the Egyptians. For the Second Intermediate Period there are many C-Group cemeteries in Egypt, indicating that Nubians lived and worked there. They seem to have been employed as soldiers.




    Code:
    Target: Drobbah_FTDNA_scaled
    Distance: 1.7004% / 0.01700450 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    93.2	Cushitic
    6.8	Yemeni_Amran
    
    
    Target: Drobbah_FTDNA_scaled
    Distance: 5.1818% / 0.05181792
    51.6	South_Sudanese
    40.0	Levant_Natufian_EpiP
    3.0	Ethiopia_4500BP
    3.0	MAR_Taforalt
    1.6	IRQ_Nemrik9_PPN
    0.8	Levant_PPNB

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Aswan had been the domain of Cushitic peoples until the Egyptian and Sudanic Nubian invasions:




    The A-Group flourished until it was destroyed by pharaohs of Egypt’s First Dynasty around 3100 BC. Much of northern Nubia was not inhabited for centuries afterwards, at least partly because of Egyptian military action. There is evidence of some occupation during this time, however; a settlement at Buhen near the 2nd cataract, with Egyptian and Nubian pottery, may have been a base for trade or copper working during the Egyptian Old Kingdom (2686–2125 BC).The Early A-Group inhabited the northern part of Lower Nubia and was contemporary with the latter part of Egypt’s Amratian, culture and early Gerzian. The richest cemetery was located at Khor Bahan. This phase was also coexistent with a Sudanese Neolithic culture called the Abkan, which dominated the region at the Second Cataract in Batn el-Hagar. The true relationship between the Egyptian Predynastic culture and the Early A-Group is not yet fully understood. The Middle A-Group was contemporary with Egypt’s middle Gerzian and is considered to be a formative phase of the A-Group proper. The communities in Lower Nubia and the northern part of Batn el-Hagar developed a uniform culture, characterized by lively contacts with Egypt but also with Upper Nubia. There was a clear and unbroken continuation as regards traditions and social development between Middle A-Group and the subsequent Terminal phase.The Terminal A-Group was coexistent with Egypt’s unification stage (end of Gerzian) and the initial part of the First Dynasty. Cultural and economic exchange along the Nubian part of the Nile valley was intensified during this period of prosperity and population growth.





    Small circular houses with stone foundations, handmade ceramics with elaborate incised decoration, and graves covered with circular stone mounds are features that C-Group shared with earlier Nubian A-Group and Pre-Kerma cultures. But the importance of cattle in the C-Group, shown in its burial stelae, pottery, figurines, and rock drawings, also links it firmly to the African cattle cultures that began in the Neolithic and then spread across sub-Saharan Africa via the proto-cushites.The C - Group appears in the late third millennium BC (about the time of the Sixth Dynasty in Egypt). It is found in about the same area as the A-Group from the late Third to mid-second millennium BC (about the time of the 6th to early 18th Dynasty in Egypt). There are only a few settlement sites known, showing the C - Group people lived in huts; later there were fortified settlements.During the Egyptian Sixth Dynasty, Lower Nubia is described of consisting of a number of small states, three of which are named: Setju, Wawat, and Irjet. In the Middle Kingdom Lower Nubia was occupied by the Egyptians. For the Second Intermediate Period there are many C-Group cemeteries in Egypt, indicating that Nubians lived and worked there. They seem to have been employed as soldiers.




    Don't feel like having a Discussion today. Regardless, the thing of it being a Historic well known Egyptian City isn't necessarily demanding it to be must inhabited since 6 Thousand or more years old. And If this is true then we have not only a one but a Multiple Severe cases of evidences indicating population Collapses/Turn over along with future Ethnic cleansing or discrimination actions at the Area around Lower Nubia and Including it. This beginning atleast with an Early Dynastic Egyptian aggression circa 3100 BC followed by forcing the territory being uninhabited for centuries and the whole later Drama of Middle kingdom's Monarchs.

    One might wonder about Lower Nubia's specific Genetic structure and the change it went through in the light of such Archaeologic data. Would be nice to see those in line of more other things with future informative aDNA.
    Last edited by The Saite; 10-26-2020 at 04:52 PM.
    Autosomal using ancient populations :
    93% Late Period Ancient Egyptian, 4% JOR_EBA, 3% GRC_Minoan_Lassithi (Just another G25's Scaled results with a Suitable fit).

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    @drobbah....I am not saying I disagree but how do we know and confirm the linguistic affinity of A-Group?
    The oldest aDNA we have in proximity is Kadruka at 60% A and 40% E which could be M75 or M35 or even M2.
    Also what is your take on older populations like Jebel Sahabans who chronologically precede the entire Cushitic phylum?

    Personally i think Niltoics are a composite, sharing ancestors with Northerners in the same way that many North East Africans (especially Cushitics) can be deduced down to Dinka+Other.
    Nilotics almost seem like a bottle necked sub Group of a sister group with a parent group that is much more diverse. IMO because of its age, there is no reason why Nilo Saharan cant be similar to Afro Asiatic in having diverse sub branches dominated by totally different autosomal groups.

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    I uploaded ERR1937832 to MTA:




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    Seems more SSA (Dinka-like) shifted than modern Egyptians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    I uploaded ERR1937832 to MTA:



    Noice. Here's mine:






    I guess that is typical for Galilean Arabs, esp considering that both of my families are from the coastal lines of Acre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIncredibleHulk View Post
    Noice. Here's mine:






    I guess that is typical for Galilean Arabs, esp considering that both of my families are from the coastal lines of Acre.
    Are you Palestinian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramses View Post
    K13 of Nekht ankh shows him closest to Coptic egyptians and Abusir el malaq mummies , despite this sample been bad quality his ancestry is overall similar to other egyptian samples..
    his ssa level is in range of modern coptic egyptian variation, probably due to its bad quality , if it was higher quality this ssa might have been equivalent with abusir samples.
    Nekhit ankh is still less SSA than modern egyptians.

    obviously Nekht ankh highest ancestry is Levant PPNB and Natufian with Levant Sidon ancestry still approximate to the ones found in Abusir mummies if this sample to be believed as representative of middle kingdom Upper-egyptians , then this means IranN-related ancestry might have been much older in egypt than thought by some here.
    Distance:


    G25 using ancient and modern as references:


    Obviously Nekht ankh and abusir samples and copts get highest Yemenite Jewish , due to there common ancient SouthWest asian ancestry without the later Caucasian waves that shaped the recent Levant.

    Thanks for everyone contributed to get Nekht ankh's result.
    Can you post his G25 coordinates?

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    So this guy's results are as expected. He's closest to Copts and the other ancient Egyptian samples. Would like to confirm this with G25.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramses View Post
    then this means IranN-related ancestry might have been much older in egypt than thought by some here
    Why would that be surprising? We know Y-haplogroup J-rich Iran Chalcolithic-type populations had a massive expansion in West Asia and into Egypt in prehistoric times, corresponding with Metal Age advancements. It's maybe not as sexy a topic as the IE-from-the-steppe issue because it's not tied to a single identifiable language group, but it should be common knowledge by now.
    Ελευθερία ή θάνατος.

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