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    Tribes of Montenegro

    A thread for the discussion of all things about the tribes of Montenegro. I find them all to be very interesting but personally I find the Pješivci and Cuce tribes to be the most interesting since they are both dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup J2a. In regards to Y-DNA results of the various tribes many are included in the Serbian DNA Project.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes_of_Montenegro

    https://www.montenegro.travel/en/inf...tradition-nova

    https://dnk.poreklo.rs/DNK-projekat/

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    Most of the major Montenegrin tribes are already phylogenetically profiled in Serbian DNA Project:


    Vasojevići: E-V13>Y30977>Y37092>Y126722


    Kuči: E-V13>CTS1273>Z5018>S2979>S2972>Z16661>BY165837


    Bjelopavlići: E-V13>CTS1273>Z5017>CTS9320>Z16988>BY34282>BY155704> Z13591


    Bjelice: E-V13>CTS1273>Z5017>Z19851>A18833>FT104106


    Drobnjaci, Šaranci and Uskoci: I1-P109>FGC16678>S14887>Y11203>FGC22046>FGC22045


    Nikšići and Rovca: I2-PH908>FT14506>Y179535>Y52621>FT190799


    Ozrinići: I2-PH908>BY93199


    Piperi: R1b-Z2103>Z2106>Z2110>CTS1450>Y10789>Z2705>FT48939>FT4 9714


    Banjani and Pivljani: N2-Y6503>P189.2>Y7310>Y7313>FGC28435


    Several tribes have only one member with NGS test done at the moment, so we know deeper subclades to which they belong, but they are not actually profiled yet:


    Cuce and Pješivci: J2a-M410>M67>Z500>M92>S8230>PH2651

    Cuce and Pješivci will split clade PH2651 in YFull as they are Z38463+ and PH2651-. They are already classified as Z38463>SK1357>SK1356 in FTDNA tree.


    Morača: R1b-U152>Z36>CTS5531>Z37>Y91536*


    Bratonožići: Q2-L275>F1213>M378>L245>Y2998>Y2209>BZ3000


    There is also a genetic cluster that represents the former Kriči tribe that originated in northern Montenegro, but doesn't exist as a tribe today. They were defeated and dispersed by Drobnjaci tribe in the Middle Ages, so most of it's members today live outside of Montenegro:

    Kriči: J2b1-M205>CTS1969>YP51>Y22075>A11525>Y22059


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    ^An excellent breakdown of the tribal results thank you Pribislav. To add to this from what I remember reading on the Serbian DNA Project forum the Pastrovici tribe has some G2a and J2a-L70 among them and the Sotonici tribe from Crmnica is mostly J2a-Z6065 so far. Also I think that some G2a may exist in Moraca as well.
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    How did R1b-Z36 get to Moraca?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    How did R1b-Z36 get to Moraca?
    Your guess is as good as ours at this point.

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    How do you know J2b1 represents dispersed Krici? I find J2b1 really interesting because its basically the only major balkan haplogroup that we have not really figured out yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    How do you know J2b1 represents dispersed Krici? I find J2b1 really interesting because its basically the only major balkan haplogroup that we have not really figured out yet.
    I didn't say all Serbian J2b1 descend from Kriči tribe, but one part of them definitely does. Several members of this clade who trace their roots to Montenegro have kept tribal name as a part of their last name, for example Kričak, Krička and Kričković/Kličković.

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    If a big part of it originates from Krici it would mean that all of it would have separated somewhere in the vicinity since its TMRCA of 900ybp according to Yfull is so small. So if they were somewhere around northern montenegro 500 years ago its very likely they were in the same region 400 years before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    How did R1b-Z36 get to Moraca?
    Do you mean a specific branch?

    R1b-Z36 pops up all over the place.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/r-z36/

    Scrolling quickly I see Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, and Hungary here.

    I'm curious as to how long its been in the region.

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