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    Dakhni/Deccani results thread

    Who are the Dakhni/Deccani people?

    Dakhni/Deccani refers to Urdu speaking Muslims of the Deccan plateau. It is its own ethnoreligious and ethnolinguistic group which traces its Urdu roots from the shifting of nearly the entire population of the Delhi capital of the Delhi Sultanate by Muhammad Bin Tuqhlaq in 1327 to the Deccan and hence this group of people is often an amalgation of North and South Indian, or more recent South Indian converts, as well as some Middle Eastern and Central Asian ancestry due to its history of highly cosmopolitan Muslim kingdoms.

    Here are me and my brother's results, we are Hyderabadi Dakhnis.
    Paternally: Chaush, Shaikh
    Maternally: Farooqi, Syed

    Misanthropy (23andme V5 to V3)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 47.61
    2 Baloch 30.04
    3 Caucasian 6.36
    4 SW-Asian 4.47
    5 NE-Euro 2.92
    6 NE-Asian 2.13
    7 E-African 2
    8 Siberian 1.46
    9 SE-Asian 0.98
    10 Papuan 0.66
    11 American 0.61
    12 Beringian 0.52
    13 Mediterranean 0.15
    14 San 0.08
    15 Pygmy 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 kerala-christian (harappa) 5.18
    2 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 5.8
    3 kerala-muslim (harappa) 5.98
    4 up (harappa) 5.99
    5 rajasthani (harappa) 6.38
    6 tamil (harappa) 6.39
    7 bihari (harappa) 6.45
    8 cochin-jew (behar) 6.55
    9 caribbean-indian (harappa) 6.91
    10 maharashtrian (harappa) 7.23
    11 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 7.28
    12 sri-lankan (harappa) 7.37
    13 bihari-muslim (harappa) 7.55
    14 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 7.64
    15 ap-brahmin (xing) 7.68
    16 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 7.74
    17 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 8.1
    18 srivastava (reich) 8.26
    19 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 8.31
    20 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 8.34

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.5% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.5% ethiopian-jew (behar) @ 2.48
    2 93.5% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.5% ethiopian (behar) @ 2.52
    3 93.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.6% tygray (pagani) @ 2.56
    4 93.5% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.5% amhara (pagani) @ 2.6
    5 92.6% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 7.4% qatari (henn2012) @ 2.62
    6 87.5% tharu (metspalu) + 12.5% yemenese (behar) @ 2.67
    7 93.6% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.4% afar (pagani) @ 2.67
    8 91% tamil (harappa) + 9% yemenese (behar) @ 2.73
    9 91.5% tamil (harappa) + 8.5% egyptian (behar) @ 2.77
    10 89.6% tharu (metspalu) + 10.4% yemen-jew (behar) @ 2.78
    11 93.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.8% bedouin (hgdp) @ 2.78
    12 94.1% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 5.9% somali (harappa) @ 2.84
    13 93.9% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.1% oromo (pagani) @ 2.85
    14 91.5% tamil (harappa) + 8.5% egypt (henn2012) @ 2.86
    15 77.3% naidu (reich) + 22.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.89
    16 92.1% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 7.9% yemenese (behar) @ 2.89
    17 88.3% tharu (metspalu) + 11.7% egyptian (behar) @ 2.9
    18 91.7% kerala-muslim (harappa) + 8.3% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.9
    19 91.8% kerala-muslim (harappa) + 8.2% syrian (behar) @ 2.93
    20 91.4% tamil (harappa) + 8.6% jordanian (behar) @ 2.93

    Misanthropy_brother (23andme V5 to V3)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 45.43
    2 Baloch 29.54
    3 Caucasian 7.18
    4 SW-Asian 4.34
    5 NE-Euro 2.91
    6 NE-Asian 2.67
    7 E-African 2.57
    8 Mediterranean 2.07
    9 Siberian 1.48
    10 Papuan 0.65
    11 W-African 0.54
    12 SE-Asian 0.31
    13 American 0.28
    14 San 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 cochin-jew (behar) 5.45
    2 kerala-christian (harappa) 6.77
    3 bihari-muslim (harappa) 7.23
    4 up (harappa) 7.46
    5 rajasthani (harappa) 7.65
    6 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 7.7
    7 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 7.83
    8 maharashtrian (harappa) 7.89
    9 bihari (harappa) 8.1
    10 sri-lankan (harappa) 8.11
    11 kerala-muslim (harappa) 8.26
    12 caribbean-indian (harappa) 8.35
    13 tamil (harappa) 8.72
    14 ap-brahmin (xing) 8.93
    15 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 9.05
    16 tn-brahmin (xing) 9.1
    17 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 9.19
    18 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 9.24
    19 bengali (harappa) 9.25
    20 meghawal (reich) 9.31

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 85.3% tharu (metspalu) + 14.7% egyptian (behar) @ 2.69
    2 86% up-muslim (metspalu) + 14% egyptian (behar) @ 2.89
    3 85.2% tharu (metspalu) + 14.8% egypt (henn2012) @ 2.94
    4 84.6% tharu (metspalu) + 15.4% yemenese (behar) @ 3.11
    5 89.5% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10.5% egyptian (behar) @ 3.12
    6 89.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10.6% egypt (henn2012) @ 3.13
    7 85.2% up-muslim (metspalu) + 14.8% yemenese (behar) @ 3.14
    8 85% tharu (metspalu) + 15% jordanian (behar) @ 3.17
    9 85.7% up-muslim (metspalu) + 14.3% jordanian (behar) @ 3.2
    10 86% up-muslim (metspalu) + 14% egypt (henn2012) @ 3.2
    11 90% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 10% libya (henn2012) @ 3.21
    12 85.3% tharu (metspalu) + 14.7% palestinian (hgdp) @ 3.23
    13 88.9% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 11.1% yemenese (behar) @ 3.23
    14 86% up-muslim (metspalu) + 14% palestinian (hgdp) @ 3.25
    15 91.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 8.8% tygray (pagani) @ 3.31
    16 83.4% kanjar (metspalu) + 16.6% jordanian (behar) @ 3.38
    17 91.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 8.6% ethiopian-jew (behar) @ 3.4
    18 91.3% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 8.7% amhara (pagani) @ 3.41
    19 90.1% up (harappa) + 9.9% egyptian (behar) @ 3.41
    20 73.5% naidu (reich) + 26.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 3.43
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    A friend of mine who is also a Hyderabadi Dakhni. His Nani's side has a Pathan great grandfather as well as Shaikh.

    (23andme V5)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 48.12
    2 Baloch 33.6
    3 NE-Euro 4.37
    4 Caucasian 3.79
    5 NE-Asian 3.22
    6 Mediterranean 1.87
    7 SW-Asian 1.61
    8 Siberian 1.45
    9 American 0.75
    10 E-African 0.65
    11 SE-Asian 0.51
    12 Pygmy 0.04
    13 Beringian 0.02

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 up (harappa) 3.4
    2 rajasthani (harappa) 3.46
    3 bihari (harappa) 3.69
    4 ap-brahmin (xing) 3.79
    5 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 4.18
    6 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 4.32
    7 maharashtrian (harappa) 4.37
    8 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 4.55
    9 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 4.77
    10 kerala-christian (harappa) 4.88
    11 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 5.11
    12 tn-brahmin (xing) 5.26
    13 caribbean-indian (harappa) 5.28
    14 kerala-nair (harappa) 5.4
    15 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 5.49
    16 gujarati (harappa) 5.6
    17 up-muslim (metspalu) 5.62
    18 kerala-muslim (harappa) 5.7
    19 dharkar (metspalu) 5.71
    20 meghawal (reich) 5.73

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 71.5% up-scheduled-caste (metspalu) + 28.5% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.03
    2 94.5% ap-brahmin (xing) + 5.5% nepalese-b (xing) @ 2.12
    3 95.6% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 4.4% daur (hgdp) @ 2.16
    4 94.4% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 5.6% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) @ 2.18
    5 95.5% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 4.5% mongola (hgdp) @ 2.19
    6 95.6% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 4.4% hezhen (hgdp) @ 2.19
    7 95.6% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 4.4% xibo (hgdp) @ 2.19
    8 94.1% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 5.9% kazakh (harappa) @ 2.22
    9 95% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 5% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 2.22
    10 87.3% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 12.7% nepalese-c (xing) @ 2.24
    11 96.6% ap-brahmin (xing) + 3.4% tibet (simonson) @ 2.26
    12 93.6% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 6.4% nepalese-b (xing) @ 2.27
    13 96.7% ap-brahmin (xing) + 3.3% nysha (reich) @ 2.27
    14 96.8% ap-brahmin (xing) + 3.2% aonaga (reich) @ 2.3
    15 95.9% singapore-indian-b (sgvp) + 4.1% tibet (simonson) @ 2.3
    16 96.8% ap-brahmin (xing) + 3.2% naga (metspalu) @ 2.3
    17 57.4% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 42.6% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 2.31
    18 66.6% naidu (reich) + 33.4% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.32
    19 89.9% dharkar (metspalu) + 10.1% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.33
    20 69% dusadh (metspalu) + 31% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.34
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    Is there Persian admixture in any Dakhni/Deccani results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Is there Persian admixture in any Dakhni/Deccani results?
    There is some in Lucknow, Old Delhi areas definitely. They are however relatively rare.

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    Would early 1900s UP migrants count as Deccan/Dhakni or just transplanted Awadhis?

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    I was looking for @Censored's (banned) results but no luck so far. Found his dad's though from some digging.

    (23andme V5 to V3)

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 50.17
    2 Baloch 30.21
    3 Caucasian 6.09
    4 NE-Euro 2.55
    5 Mediterranean 2.02
    6 Papuan 1.69
    7 SE-Asian 1.53
    8 American 1.43
    9 NE-Asian 1.29
    10 Siberian 1.13
    11 E-African 0.7
    12 W-African 0.54
    13 Beringian 0.44
    14 SW-Asian 0.2

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 3.29
    2 caribbean-indian (harappa) 3.92
    3 tamil (harappa) 4.6
    4 up (harappa) 4.65
    5 kerala-muslim (harappa) 4.68
    6 bihari (harappa) 4.75
    7 kerala-christian (harappa) 5.23
    8 sri-lankan (harappa) 5.25
    9 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 5.4
    10 up-muslim (metspalu) 5.76
    11 tharu (metspalu) 5.91
    12 rajasthani (harappa) 5.92
    13 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 6.23
    14 karnataka (harappa) 6.43
    15 srivastava (reich) 6.48
    16 ap-brahmin (xing) 6.83
    17 dharkar (metspalu) 6.92
    18 maharashtrian (harappa) 7.27
    19 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 7.31
    20 kanjar (metspalu) 7.68

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 97.7% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 2.3% melanesian (hgdp) @ 2.15
    2 97.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 2.6% aus (reich) @ 2.17
    3 96.4% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 3.6% puerto-rican (1000genomes) @ 2.26
    4 96.5% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 3.5% colombian (1000genomes) @ 2.27
    5 97.5% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 2.5% tongan (xing) @ 2.34
    6 98.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 1.8% papuan (hgdp) @ 2.35
    7 60.6% chenchu (metspalu) + 39.4% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 2.35
    8 96.7% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 3.3% dominican (bryc) @ 2.36
    9 97.6% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 2.4% samoan (xing) @ 2.42
    10 51.7% up-muslim (harappa) + 48.3% sakilli (chaubey) @ 2.43
    11 51.1% kamsali (reich) + 48.9% up-muslim (harappa) @ 2.43
    12 53.1% chamar (metspalu) + 46.9% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 2.45
    13 79.3% singapore-indian-a (sgvp) + 20.7% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.47
    14 97.1% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 2.9% mexican (1000genomes) @ 2.47
    15 78.1% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 21.9% bengali (harappa) @ 2.48
    16 51.6% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 48.4% madiga (reich) @ 2.49
    17 97.3% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 2.7% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.49
    18 97.2% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 2.8% ecuadorian (bryc) @ 2.5
    19 55.2% up-muslim (harappa) + 44.8% madiga (reich) @ 2.5
    20 93.3% ap-hyderabad (harappa) + 6.7% great-andamanese (reich) @ 2.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    Is there Persian admixture in any Dakhni/Deccani results?
    There certainly is! A lot of my 23andme Hyderabadi relatives have some in trace amounts, like 0.5%-2%.

    In elites and Syeds it could be higher.

    This is the grandson of Nawab Mehdi Yar Jung of Hyderabad. From the "UP Syeds" thread, he was a 23andme Syed relative of @Pakistani.


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    Quote Originally Posted by subzero85 View Post
    Would early 1900s UP migrants count as Deccan/Dhakni or just transplanted Awadhis?
    I would say so. They probably migrated as other people did to the Deccan/Hyderabad for similar reasons (i.e. the dominant Muslim cultural, educational, and intellectual hub at the time).

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    DNA relative.

    Three grandparents from Hyderabad, one from Agra.

    I wouldn't be surprised if his Hyderabad grandparents really were transplanted Awadhis like his Agra-origin grandparent. He claims to be Syed but his Y-DNA is CK-96 and his mtDNA is a bit exotic for India at X2b1.

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    This DNA match is similar to my previous one in that he has three grandparents from Hyderabad and one from Uttar Pradesh.

    His paternal line is R-P25_1 which I think is R1b (Turk?) and his maternal line is M42b1

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