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    Post 23andme says I'm j1e I am a romanian Jew

    I took the 23andme test a while back, my father was a Jew of romanian descent and cohanim he is listed as j1e, 23andme says I'm about 45 percent ashkenazi and the rest is about 5 percent Balkans some Northern European and about 1 percent Asian. I noticed most of my matches are in Ukraine, Russia, or Poland and none from Romania, my family actually has a long history in Romania and none that we are aware of in those countries. My dad's family does not identify as Ashkenazi but Jewish, I assume this would mean we have middle eastern ancestry?

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    Welcome to Anthrogenica.

    23andme has not updated their Y tree for some time and J1e is now called J-P58. This is very much a Middle Eastern haplogroup and very common in Cohanim. As for your autosomes, there is some debate over what proportion exactly of European Jewish genetics traces back ultimately to the Levant though it is clear a significant proportion does.

    Do you have any tradition of Sephardi ancestry? If not, your Eastern European Jewish ancestry is likely to be entirely Ashkenazi Jewish, whether this is how your ancestors identified or not.

    If you change your thresholds in Countries of Ancestry to 1 grandparent and 5 centimorgans, you may find more matches in Romania; though because of shifting borders over the last centuries, many of your matches are likely to be in Moldova and Ukraine. Also, many people simply list "Russia" because their ancestors came from the former Russian Empire circa 1870-1920, but in modern terms this could certainly include many other places. For this reason in the case of Ashkenazi ancestry you should treat "Russia" as indicating the entire area of the former USSR and Russian Empire.

    Incidentally few if any of these matches will be traceable genealogically in any case because inbreeding among Eastern European Jews means that segments persist very far back. I have less than half Ashkenazi ancestry and yet Romania is my number-8 country, even though I have no known ancestry from there. (Some children cousins of my 4th great-grandfather, however, moved to Moldova from Ukraine.)
     

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    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    I'm not aware of any Sephardic ancestry, our family from what i've been told does look middle eastern, I know that Romania traditionally and historically was actually Sephardic in very large numbers before Ashkenazi Migration. The Sephardics came in from the Balkans mainly to southern Romania and this is evident in synagogues in the region in Bucharest. My family is originally from Southern Romania, a town called Targoviste, from what my cousin had said, he believes some family might have come from Austria and that the family did not move around a lot, apparently they supposedly weren't that far from Hungary but historically spoke Romanian. Ashkenazi from what I do know came in at later dates from Galicia, Ukraine and Poland although we don't have any historical family from that area that I am aware of, but maybe they mixed with sephardics?

    I do actually cluster with Romanians.

    [QUOTE=Myth;2026249]I received my results from 23andme a while back, I am receiving multiple reports on what my ancestry actually is which differs from 23andme, gedmatch and some of the results I have had from Mcdonald as well as Dodcad.

    these are my 23andme results

    Y DNA is J1c3
    MTDNA is H1

    As you can see from the listed results below, 23andme seems to think I am primarily of Russian Descent and German background yet lists my genetic marker as originally belonging to the middle east, yet J1c3 doesn't seem to be very common in Europe. On the other hand, Mcdonald sees me as primarily being of Jewish Middle Eastern, Hungarian, Italian or Romanian. On my GEDMatch records, i'm being recorded as primarily Romanian, Balkans, some Finnish, German, or in some cases Assyrian, Iraq or Turkish.

    The results are a bit weird because some are picking up slight traces of Asian, other times it doesn't show up, and in other cases most of my results seem to show a Balkans origin yet on 23andme, it only detects Russian and German, 23andme seems to detect J1c3 as Ashkenazi Jewish and declares it to be European, is it mainly due to population sizes or how should I handle these results of my actual background?

    Based on 23andme, this is my ancestry





    This is from EuroDNA Calculator

    EuroDNACalc
    [1] "NORTHWEST EURO: Maximum Likelihood Estimate=15% Interval=[0, 40]"
    [1] "SOUTHEAST EURO: Maximum Likelihood Estimate=34% Interval=[1, 66]"
    [1] "ASHKENAZI JEWISH: Maximum Likelihood Estimate=51% Interval=[30, 73]"


    And this is my Mcdonald Analysis









    The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

    most likely at the top

    Tuscan= 0.153 Hungary= 0.566 Jewish= 0.280

    French= 0.126 Hungary= 0.509 Jewish= 0.366

    Spain= 0.072 Hungary= 0.577 Jewish= 0.351

    Italian= 0.106 Hungary= 0.566 Jewish= 0.328

    Tuscan= 0.714 Russian= 0.262 Mozabite= 0.024

    Sardinia= 0.033 Hungary= 0.618 Jewish= 0.348

    English= 0.118 Hungary= 0.488 Jewish= 0.394

    Tuscan= 0.111 Romania= 0.866 Moroccan= 0.023

    Tuscan= 0.150 Romania= 0.832 Mozabite= 0.018

    Tuscan= 0.372 Belorus= 0.355 Jewish= 0.273

    Second most likely fit is 88.3% (+- 8.9%) Europe (all Southeast Europe)

    and 0.3% (+- 0.2%) Africa (various subcontinents)

    and 11.4% (+- 9.0%) Mideast (all Jewish)

    The following are possible population sets and their fractions,

    most likely at the top

    Hungary= 0.616 Yoruba= 0.000 Jewish= 0.384

    Romania= 0.920 Ethiopia= 0.007 Jewish= 0.073

    Romania= 0.920 Ethiopia= 0.007 Jewish= 0.073

    Romania= 0.910 Mandenka= 0.002 Jewish= 0.088

    Romania= 0.913 Maasai= 0.003 Jewish= 0.084

    Romania= 0.916 Ethiopia= 0.004 Jewish= 0.080

    Romania= 0.910 Yoruba= 0.002 Jewish= 0.088

    Romania= 0.910 Bantu Ke= 0.002 Jewish= 0.088

    Romania= 0.909 Bantu So= 0.002 Jewish= 0.089

    Romania= 0.907 Biaka Py= 0.000 Jewish= 0.093

    Mcdonald stated that I had a "slightly" higher amount of African blood than most Ashkenazi Jews and that all individuals test for a small amount of African blood except the Caucasus.

    My Dodcad ID 678



    https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...CP-9p_wC#gid=0

    19.3 West Asian, 33 percent south european, 0.5 percent northeast asian, 9.3 percent southwest asian, 1.1 percent east asian, 36.8 percent north european

    and this is from GEDMatch

    M213922 Eurogene EUtest V2 K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 24.21
    2 North_Sea 16.88
    3 West_Asian 11.98
    4 East_Med 11.66
    5 West_Med 11.33
    6 Baltic 11.32
    7 Eastern_Euro 6.94
    8 Red_Sea 4.54
    9 Siberian 1.14


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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Romanian @ 10.686
    2 Serbian @ 10.878
    3 Bulgarian @ 12.278
    4 Austrian @ 13.253
    5 North_Italian @ 13.404
    6 Tuscan @ 14.955
    7 French @ 15.583
    8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.145
    9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.416
    10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.438
    165 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Austrian +50% Tuscan @ 6.529
    2 50% German +50% Greek @ 7.224
    3 50% Bulgarian +50% French @ 7.494
    4 50% Austrian +50% North_Italian @ 7.755
    5 50% Greek +50% Irish @ 7.781
    6 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.795
    7 50% Greek +50% Southeast_English @ 7.853
    8 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.921
    9 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 7.955
    10 50% Romanian +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 7.991
    13695 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.054
    2 50% Austrian +25% Armenian +25% French_Basque @ 4.138
    3 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Turkish @ 4.203
    4 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Turkish @ 4.435
    5 50% Austrian +25% Assyrian +25% French_Basque @ 4.442
    6 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Turkish @ 4.537
    7 50% Hungarian +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 4.556
    8 50% Austrian +25% Southwest_French +25% Turkish @ 4.572
    9 50% Austrian +25% French_Basque +25% Kurdish @ 4.643
    10 50% Austrian +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Turkish @ 4.704
    543136 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Armenian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 3.786
    2 Austrian + French_Basque + Hungarian + Turkish @ 3.925
    3 Armenian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.958
    4 Austrian + German + Spanish_Aragon + Turkish @ 3.978
    5 Assyrian + French_Basque + German + Polish @ 3.985
    6 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.034
    7 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + German @ 4.050
    8 Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Turkish @ 4.054
    9 Austrian + German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Turkish @ 4.062
    10 Assyrian + French_Basque + Southeast_English + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.066
    11 Assyrian + French_Basque + Irish + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.078
    12 Bulgarian + French_Basque + Swedish + Turkish @ 4.109
    13 Assyrian + Belorussian + French + French_Basque @ 4.109
    14 French_Basque + Romanian + Southwest_Finnish + Turkish @ 4.119
    15 Austrian + German + Southwest_French + Turkish @ 4.138
    16 Armenian + Austrian + Austrian + French_Basque @ 4.138
    17 French_Basque + German + Romanian + Turkish @ 4.152
    18 Assyrian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.164
    19 Assyrian + Austrian + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.175
    20 Armenian + French + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Northeast @ 4.191


    This is mixed mode population sharing from Oracle and my results

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 53.9% Austrian + 46.1% Tuscan @ 5.66
    2 78.6% Romanian + 21.4% French_Basque @ 5.8
    3 68.6% Romanian + 31.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.84
    4 60% Greek + 40% Irish @ 5.95
    5 71.6% Romanian + 28.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.02
    6 65.9% Romanian + 34.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.1
    7 66.7% Romanian + 33.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 6.12
    8 60.9% Greek + 39.1% West_Scottish @ 6.13
    9 68.4% Romanian + 31.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.18
    10 71.8% Austrian + 28.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.2
    11 66.4% Romanian + 33.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.24
    12 68.6% Romanian + 31.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.3
    13 52.9% Greek + 47.1% German @ 6.3
    14 66.2% Romanian + 33.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.33
    15 58.8% Bulgarian + 41.2% French @ 6.34
    16 60.1% Greek + 39.9% Danish @ 6.35
    17 58.5% Greek + 41.5% Southeast_English @ 6.37
    18 73% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 27% Lezgin @ 6.43
    19 71.7% Romanian + 28.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.45
    20 72.2% Romanian + 27.8% Southwest_French @ 6.58

    MDLP Results

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North-East-European 34.3
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.48
    3 West-Asian 15.47
    4 Near_East 13.4
    5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.34
    6 North-Siberean 1.26
    7 Arctic-Amerind 0.57
    8 Indo-Tibetan 0.52
    9 Melanesian 0.27
    10 Indo-Iranian 0.26
    11 Paleo-Siberian 0.14

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Gagauz (derived) 4.49
    2 Bulgarian (derived) 5.35
    3 Romania (derived) 7.15
    4 Macedonian (derived) 7.39
    5 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 8.38
    6 Montenegrin (derived) 8.85
    7 Greek_South (derived) 10.44
    8 Greek_North (derived) 10.66
    9 Italian_North (derived) 10.97
    10 Serbian (derived) 11.16
    11 Swiss (derived) 11.92
    12 Provancestralal (derived) 13.18
    13 Italian-North (derived) 13.68
    14 Jew_Romania (derived) 14.52
    15 Greek_Center (derived) 14.53
    16 German-South (derived) 14.7
    17 Greek_East (derived) 15.68
    18 Bosnian (derived) 15.83
    19 French (derived) 16.77
    20 Italian-Center (derived) 16.97

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70% Italian-South (derived) + 30% Estonian (derived) @ 1.48
    2 72.1% Italian-Center (derived) + 27.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.71
    3 68.1% Sicilian (derived) + 31.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.79
    4 71.5% Italian-South (derived) + 28.5% Latvian (derived) @ 1.85
    5 64.8% Sicilian (derived) + 35.2% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.9
    6 59.1% Sicilian (derived) + 40.9% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.94
    7 59.5% Jew_Romania (derived) + 40.5% German (derived) @ 1.95
    8 60% Sicilian (derived) + 40% Ukrainian-Center (derived) @ 1.97
    9 64.7% Italian-South (derived) + 35.3% Russian_V (derived) @ 1.99
    10 63% Sicilian (derived) + 37% Russian_South (derived) @ 2.03
    11 67.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 32.1% Moldavian (derived) @ 2.03
    12 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.04
    13 69.6% Sicilian (derived) + 30.4% Latvian (derived) @ 2.05
    14 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 2.06
    15 73.5% Italian-Center (derived) + 26.5% Latvian (derived) @ 2.06
    16 66.9% Italian-South (derived) + 33.1% Russian_Center (derived) @ 2.08
    17 58.9% German-North (derived) + 41.1% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 2.09
    18 55.7% Jew_Romania (derived) + 44.3% Hungarian (derived) @ 2.1
    19 62.3% Sicilian (derived) + 37.7% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 2.11
    20 66.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 33.1% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.11


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North-East-European 34.3
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.48
    3 West-Asian 15.47
    4 Near_East 13.4
    5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.34
    6 North-Siberean 1.26
    7 Arctic-Amerind 0.57
    8 Indo-Tibetan 0.52
    9 Melanesian 0.27
    10 Indo-Iranian 0.26
    11 Paleo-Siberian 0.14

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Gagauz (derived) 4.49
    2 Bulgarian (derived) 5.35
    3 Romania (derived) 7.15
    4 Macedonian (derived) 7.39
    5 Ashkenazim_V (derived) 8.38
    6 Montenegrin (derived) 8.85
    7 Greek_South (derived) 10.44
    8 Greek_North (derived) 10.66
    9 Italian_North (derived) 10.97
    10 Serbian (derived) 11.16
    11 Swiss (derived) 11.92
    12 Provancestralal (derived) 13.18
    13 Italian-North (derived) 13.68
    14 Jew_Romania (derived) 14.52
    15 Greek_Center (derived) 14.53
    16 German-South (derived) 14.7
    17 Greek_East (derived) 15.68
    18 Bosnian (derived) 15.83
    19 French (derived) 16.77
    20 Italian-Center (derived) 16.97

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70% Italian-South (derived) + 30% Estonian (derived) @ 1.48
    2 72.1% Italian-Center (derived) + 27.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.71
    3 68.1% Sicilian (derived) + 31.9% Estonian (derived) @ 1.79
    4 71.5% Italian-South (derived) + 28.5% Latvian (derived) @ 1.85
    5 64.8% Sicilian (derived) + 35.2% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.9
    6 59.1% Sicilian (derived) + 40.9% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.94
    7 59.5% Jew_Romania (derived) + 40.5% German (derived) @ 1.95
    8 60% Sicilian (derived) + 40% Ukrainian-Center (derived) @ 1.97
    9 64.7% Italian-South (derived) + 35.3% Russian_V (derived) @ 1.99
    10 63% Sicilian (derived) + 37% Russian_South (derived) @ 2.03
    11 67.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 32.1% Moldavian (derived) @ 2.03
    12 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.04
    13 69.6% Sicilian (derived) + 30.4% Latvian (derived) @ 2.05
    14 62.6% Sicilian (derived) + 37.4% Russian_cossack (derived) @ 2.06
    15 73.5% Italian-Center (derived) + 26.5% Latvian (derived) @ 2.06
    16 66.9% Italian-South (derived) + 33.1% Russian_Center (derived) @ 2.08
    17 58.9% German-North (derived) + 41.1% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 2.09
    18 55.7% Jew_Romania (derived) + 44.3% Hungarian (derived) @ 2.1
    19 62.3% Sicilian (derived) + 37.7% Ukrainian-East (derived) @ 2.11
    20 66.9% Italian-Center (derived) + 33.1% Russian_V (derived) @ 2.11

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North-East-European 34.71
    2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.86
    3 West-Asian 15.66
    4 Near_East 13.56
    5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.37
    6 North-Siberean 1.27
    7 Arctic-Amerind 0.58


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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Gagauz @ 4.871
    2 Bulgarian @ 5.767
    3 Romania @ 7.919
    4 Macedonian @ 8.106
    5 Ashkenazim_V @ 9.646
    6 Montenegrin @ 9.703
    7 Italian_North @ 11.961
    8 Greek_South @ 12.005
    9 Greek_North @ 12.224
    10 Serbian @ 12.443
    276 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian_V +50% Sicilian @ 2.663
    2 50% Ashkenazim_V +50% Macedonian @ 2.882
    3 50% Bosnian +50% Jew_Romania @ 2.924
    4 50% Czech +50% Greek_Cretan @ 2.982
    5 50% Hungarian +50% Jew_Romania @ 3.072
    6 50% Croatian +50% Jew_Romania @ 3.143
    7 50% Jew_Italia +50% Slovakian @ 3.221
    8 50% Ashkenazim_V +50% Serbian @ 3.291
    9 50% Croatian_V +50% Italian-South @ 3.299
    10 50% Jew_Francestrale +50% Slovakian @ 3.317
    38226 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Italian-Center +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Estonian @ 1.717
    2 50% Italian-Center +25% Estonian +25% Greek_South @ 1.796
    3 50% Sicilian +25% Estonian +25% Gagauz @ 1.952
    4 50% Italian-Center +25% Estonian +25% Greek_North @ 1.966
    5 50% Italian-South +25% Ashkenazim_V +25% Estonian @ 1.974
    6 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Polish @ 1.975
    7 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Polish_V @ 1.989
    8 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Russian_Center @ 2.020
    9 50% Ukrainian_V +25% Jew-Iraqi +25% Sardinian @ 2.029
    10 50% Italian_North +25% Druze +25% Russian_V @ 2.055
    2795492 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Corsican + Druze + Estonian + Italian_North @ 1.651
    2 Bosnian + Estonian + Jew-Iran + Sardinian @ 1.673
    3 Estonian + Greek_Cretan + Italian_North + Sicilian @ 1.705
    4 Corsican + Cypriot + Estonian + Gagauz @ 1.708
    5 Ashkenazim_V + Estonian + Italian-Center + Italian-Center @ 1.717
    6 Estonian + Greek_East + Italian_North + Jew_Italia @ 1.722
    7 Corsican + Jew-Iran + Latvian + Spaniard @ 1.730
    8 CEU_V + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Francestrale + Ukrainian_V @ 1.750
    9 CEU_V + Greek_Cretan + Jew_Francestrale + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.751
    10 British + Cypriot + Jew_Francestrale + Lithuanian_V @ 1.751
    11 Ashkenazim_V + Estonian + Italian-Center + Italian-South @ 1.752
    12 CEU_V + Greek_Cretan + Polish_V + Sephardim @ 1.752
    13 Cypriot + Italian-Center + Latvian + Swiss @ 1.771
    14 Corsican + Druze + Italian_North + Latvian @ 1.783
    15 CEU + Cypriot + Jew_Francestrale + Lithuanian_V @ 1.788
    16 Corsican + Jew-Iraqi + Latvian + Spaniard @ 1.792
    17 Cypriot + French + Latvian + Sicilian @ 1.793
    18 Bosnian + Estonian + Jew_Tat + Sardinian @ 1.794
    19 Estonian + Greek_South + Italian-Center + Italian-Center @ 1.796
    20 Estonian + Greek_East + Italian_North + Sephardim @ 1.802

    15667690 iterations.

    Done.

    Elapsed time 15.9638 seconds.



    Dodecad

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 32.71
    2 Mediterranean 29.52
    3 West_Asian 16.77
    4 East_European 10.93
    5 Southwest_Asian 6.8
    6 Northeast_Asian 1.43
    7 Northwest_African 0.75
    8 East_African 0.57
    9 Southeast_Asian 0.34
    10 Palaeo_African 0.17

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Tuscan (Xing) 9.4
    2 Tuscan (Henn) 9.82
    3 TSI (HapMap) 10.19
    4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.14
    5 Slovenian (Xing) 15.38
    6 Romanians_14 (Behar) 15.51
    7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 15.54
    8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.58
    9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.09
    10 Hungarians (Behar) 17.54
    11 Balkans (Dodecad) 17.95
    12 Tuscan (HGDP) 19.11
    13 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.36
    14 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.62
    15 French (HGDP) 21.18
    16 French (Dodecad) 21.4
    17 CEU (HapMap) 21.73
    18 Portuguese (Dodecad) 21.74
    19 N._European (Xing) 22.12
    20 German (Dodecad) 22.36

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 81.8% Tuscan (Xing) + 18.2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.86
    2 61.9% German (Dodecad) + 38.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.03
    3 59.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 40.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.29
    4 56.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 43.2% German (Dodecad) @ 2.36
    5 80.7% TSI (HapMap) + 19.3% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.44
    6 81.4% Tuscan (Henn) + 18.6% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.68
    7 81.6% TSI (HapMap) + 18.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.02
    8 63% Tuscan (Xing) + 37% Slovenian (Xing) @ 3.18
    9 80.6% Tuscan (Xing) + 19.4% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 3.21
    10 82.4% Tuscan (Henn) + 17.6% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.47
    11 61.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.7% FIN (1000Genomes) @ 3.55
    12 62.1% Tuscan (Henn) + 37.9% Slovenian (Xing) @ 3.64
    13 62.3% N._European (Xing) + 37.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.65
    14 61.1% TSI (HapMap) + 38.9% Slovenian (Xing) @ 3.66
    15 52.8% Slovenian (Xing) + 47.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.69
    16 55.9% German (Dodecad) + 44.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.71
    17 58.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 41.3% CEU (HapMap) @ 3.77
    18 60.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 3.77
    19 61% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 39% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.8
    20 61% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3.94



    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_European 33.32
    2 Mediterranean 30.08
    3 West_Asian 17.09
    4 East_European 11.14
    5 Southwest_Asian 6.93
    6 Northeast_Asian 1.46


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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Tuscan @ 10.314
    2 Tuscan @ 10.640
    3 TSI @ 11.013
    4 O_Italian @ 16.569
    5 N_Italian @ 16.774
    6 Slovenian @ 17.057
    7 Romanians_14 @ 17.302
    8 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 17.783
    9 Ashkenazi @ 19.433
    10 Hungarians @ 19.467
    227 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ashkenazi +50% German @ 4.061
    2 50% German +50% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 4.383
    3 50% Greek +50% N._European @ 4.707
    4 50% Ashkenazy_Jews +50% German @ 4.766
    5 50% TSI +50% Slovenian @ 4.788
    6 50% Slovenian +50% Tuscan @ 4.854
    7 50% Ashkenazi +50% Slovenian @ 4.886
    8 50% Tuscan +50% Slovenian @ 4.991
    9 50% Cypriots +50% Swedish @ 5.060
    10 50% Ashkenazy_Jews +50% Slovenian @ 5.087
    25878 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Slovenian +25% Assyrian +25% French_Basque @ 1.972
    2 50% CEU +25% Romanians_14 +25% Samaritians @ 1.999
    3 50% German +25% Cypriots +25% Tuscan @ 2.043
    4 50% N_Italian +25% FIN +25% Georgia_Jews @ 2.147
    5 50% N._European +25% Cypriots +25% Romanians_14 @ 2.151
    6 50% CEU +25% Druze +25% Romanians_14 @ 2.160
    7 50% TSI +25% Ashkenazi +25% FIN @ 2.201
    8 50% Ashkenazi +25% Hungarians +25% Orcadian @ 2.232
    9 50% German +25% Cypriots +25% Tuscan @ 2.250
    10 50% Orcadian +25% Romanians_14 +25% Samaritians @ 2.258
    645040 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.213
    2 Cypriots + Dutch + FIN + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.225
    3 Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic + Sicilian @ 1.373
    4 Cypriots + Dutch + FIN + Sicilian @ 1.422
    5 Cypriots + Dutch + FIN + S_Italian @ 1.439
    6 Cypriots + FIN + Kent + S_Italian @ 1.465
    7 Cypriots + FIN + Kent + Sicilian @ 1.475
    8 British_Isles + Cypriots + FIN + S_Italian @ 1.530
    9 Cypriots + FIN + Kent + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.537
    10 Cypriots + Hungarians + Swedish + TSI @ 1.586
    11 C_Italian + Cypriots + FIN + N._European @ 1.606
    12 Cypriots + Hungarians + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 1.610
    13 Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic + S_Italian @ 1.625
    14 Cypriots + O_Italian + Swedish + Slovenian @ 1.632
    15 Balkans + Druze + French + N._European @ 1.636
    16 C_Italian + Cypriots + FIN + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.644
    17 Assyrian + Finnish + French_Basque + N_Italian @ 1.653
    18 Cypriots + Hungarians + Swedish + Tuscan @ 1.657
    19 Cypriots + Hungarians + Swedish + Tuscan @ 1.669
    20 Cypriots + FIN + Orkney + S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.673

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    Myth, I am so glad to see that 23andMe has no problem distinguishing between Ashkenazi and Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    I took the 23andme test a while back, my father was a Jew of romanian descent and cohanim he is listed as j1e, 23andme says I'm about 45 percent ashkenazi and the rest is about 5 percent Balkans some Northern European and about 1 percent Asian. I noticed most of my matches are in Ukraine, Russia, or Poland and none from Romania, my family actually has a long history in Romania and none that we are aware of in those countries. My dad's family does not identify as Ashkenazi but Jewish, I assume this would mean we have middle eastern ancestry?
    We have a few Jewish matches from Romania, dont know if they are Ashkenazi or not, but its a crossing point between Sephardi and Ashkenazi (we have both Ashkenazi and Sephardi cousins), and ofc all the other various Jewish groups located in the wider eastern European region. Also, one thing to keep in mind, CoA is very biased, it has a max matching cap of 1000 cousins, and it also is run by questionnaire, so you would expect to find allot of Russian and Polish Jews whom now live in the US on there, while not so many Romanian Jews...

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    Myth: you cluster with Romanians because you are half Jewish, half northern European, I think? The average of this is around Romania.

    As evon said the database is mainly American, and Romanian Jews are more likely to be in Israel than in the US. Most Romanian Jews are Ashkenazi (i.e. their forebears came from Germany before). If you have significant recent Sephardi ancestry you should have at least one or two of places like Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Morocco, and Greece in your top 15 or so countries.
     

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    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    That is one of the irritating things is Ashkenazi is added as European and practically everyone I have spoken to including those who share multiple chromosomes with me share no oral history or show any trace to actually being related to me,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myth View Post
    That is one of the irritating things is Ashkenazi is added as European and practically everyone I have spoken to including those who share multiple chromosomes with me share no oral history or show any trace to actually being related to me,
    That's the nature of 23andme, unfortunately. Their low segment cutoff combined with a cap on matches makes the service genealogically unuseful for anyone with recent Eastern European Jewish ancestry.
     

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    These are my top countries with 1+ grandparent at 5 cm

    1)Russia
    2)Ukraine
    3)Poland
    4)Belarus
    5)Germany
    6)Hungary
    7)United Kingdom
    8)Romania
    9)Lithuania
    10)Austria
    11)Argentina
    12)France
    13)Czech republic
    14)Netherlands
    15)Moldova
    16)Bulgaria

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    ^That has more to do with database composition than your actual places of ancestry. My Ashkenazi grandfather has almost exactly the same as you:


    1)Russia
    2)Ukraine
    3)Poland
    4)Belarus
    5)Lithuania
    6)Hungary
    7)Germany
    8)Romania
    9)Austria
    10)United Kingdom
    11)Latvia
    12)Czech republic
    13)Argentina
    14)France
    15)Moldova
    16)Netherlands

    He only has traceable ancestry from Ukraine and Belarus. Polish ancestry before 1780 is likely based on Y matches.
     

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    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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