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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    RISE602 actually predates RISE504 though since RISE602 from Sary-Bel lived somewhere between 100 BC-0 AD whereas RISE504 from Kytmanovo lived somewhere between 721-889 AD.
    True. My mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Rohlfsen View Post
    Great! I'm really not getting their model on early Xiong-Nu west individuals. Massive failure here.
    Massive failure in the models they propose in the paper you mean?

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    Yup. Chandman IA and BMAC fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalophias View Post
    This is MJ-52? In the calls provided by Kolgeh, he is positive for 2 SNPs at the L620 level (Z2357 and Z2372), but negative for 1 SNP at L136 level (CTS3101) and 1 SNP at P58 level (CTS4823). The original paper says he was assigned to J1-P58 based on 3/10 positions (so pre-P58?). Has anyone had a closer look at this one?
    MJ-52 is a really low quality sample, but he definitely isn't P58:


    MJ-52; 798-546 BC; Aksu-Ayulu; Kazakhstan; Scythian_IA; J1a-L620 (xL136,P58)


    L620 level: PF4734/AM01322/Z1868/CTS6954+ C>T (1T); Z2372/CTS10230/PF4823+ G>A (1A)

    L620>FGC6064 level: *no calls*

    L620>FGC6064>Y59693 level: *no calls*

    L620>FGC6064>FGC6031 level: FGC6126- A>T (1A); FGC6068- G>T (1G); FGC6167- T>C (1T)

    L620>PF4816 level: *no calls*

    L620>PF4816>ZS6599 & below: *no calls*

    L620>PF4816>L136 level: AM01332/Z2369/PF4821- C>T (1C); AM01308/CTS3101- G>A (1G)

    L620>PF4816>L136>P58 level: Y2312/FGC7632/S9250- A>G (1A); PF4654- A>C (1A)


    My best bet would be that this sample is somewhere below ZS6599, since this clade was already found in several (pre-)BMAC samples from Geoksyur and Gonur.

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    Has anyone been able to analyze the Y-DNA of KHO001 M J (J-CTS10446; J-M304) yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    SKT012 Khuvsgul, Mongolia, Late Medieval Period; belongs to J2a-L25>F3133>Z7706* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z7706/

    Couldn't find any positive downstreams
    This sample is actually classified as Early Xiongnu in the supplementary material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    ZAA005 Bulgan, Mongolia, Early Medieval Khitan; belongs to J2a-PF4993>PH1795* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/

    TUH002 Arkhangai, Mongolia, Xiongnu Period; belongs to J2a-PF4993>PH1795* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/

    UGU001 Selenge, Mongolia, Early Medieval Turk; belongs to J2a-PF4993>PH1795* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/

    ULI002 Khovd, Mongolia, Early Medieval Turk; belongs to J2a-L581* https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L581/

    We have an additional three J2a2-PH1795* amongst the samples, and potentially a fourth, I was not able to get any further calls lower for ULI002 but odds are this is likely due to poorer quality.
    Are you able to take a closer look at the Y-DNA files of KHO001 please? He is just classified as J in the paper.

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    Where's the info on the Y-DNA and mtDNA for the Xiong-Nu individuals?

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    This is not a good sign if one expects there to be Chandman IA ancestry in the Early Western Xiongnu. Not happening. It may be a full replacement with these individuals.

    result: Chandman_IA Khovsgol_LBA Early_Xiongnu_West 0.021320 0.000929 22.959 663184
    result: Chandman_IA Pazyryk Early_Xiongnu_West 0.019168 0.000956 20.058 606738
    result: Chandman_IA Aldy_Bel Early_Xiongnu_West 0.020043 0.001140 17.580 497247
    result: Chandman_IA Dali_EBA Early_Xiongnu_West 0.016709 0.001294 12.915 471486
    result: Chandman_IA Dali_MBA Early_Xiongnu_West 0.019030 0.001071 17.774 536008
    result: Chandman_IA Kumsay_EBA Early_Xiongnu_West 0.017015 0.001007 16.894 575616
    result: Chandman_IA Early_Sarmatian Early_Xiongnu_West 0.018919 0.001168 16.203 410942
    result: Chandman_IA Central_Saka Early_Xiongnu_West 0.019621 0.001192 16.465 167550
    result: Chandman_IA TianShan_Saka Early_Xiongnu_West 0.018803 0.001155 16.278 172128
    result: Chandman_IA Wusun Early_Xiongnu_West 0.017516 0.001265 13.842 165167
    result: Chandman_IA Turkmenistan_IA Early_Xiongnu_West 0.017291 0.001604 10.779 151306
    result: Chandman_IA Levanluhta_IA_o Early_Xiongnu_West 0.019356 0.001192 16.240 562132
    result: Chandman_IA Gonur1_BA Early_Xiongnu_West 0.017093 0.000950 18.000 586662
    result: Chandman_IA Chemurchek Early_Xiongnu_West 0.018440 0.000945 19.505 612272

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    Pribislav, they classified him as J1b, can you observe if he is positive to M365 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    MJ-52 is a really low quality sample, but he definitely isn't P58:


    MJ-52; 798-546 BC; Aksu-Ayulu; Kazakhstan; Scythian_IA; J1a-L620 (xL136,P58)


    L620 level: PF4734/AM01322/Z1868/CTS6954+ C>T (1T); Z2372/CTS10230/PF4823+ G>A (1A)

    L620>FGC6064 level: *no calls*

    L620>FGC6064>Y59693 level: *no calls*

    L620>FGC6064>FGC6031 level: FGC6126- A>T (1A); FGC6068- G>T (1G); FGC6167- T>C (1T)

    L620>PF4816 level: *no calls*

    L620>PF4816>ZS6599 & below: *no calls*

    L620>PF4816>L136 level: AM01332/Z2369/PF4821- C>T (1C); AM01308/CTS3101- G>A (1G)

    L620>PF4816>L136>P58 level: Y2312/FGC7632/S9250- A>G (1A); PF4654- A>C (1A)


    My best bet would be that this sample is somewhere below ZS6599, since this clade was already found in several (pre-)BMAC samples from Geoksyur and Gonur.
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