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    Physical Appearance of Iranian Neolithic Farmers

    Does anyone have information about how Iranian Neolithic farmers may have looked like? From everything I have read, Baloch/Brahui/Makran people seem to have the highest Iranian Neolithic ancestry. Would it be accurate to say these ancient farmers would have looked similar to the modern Baloch kids below, ie. similar features? Is there any information available on ancient neolithic farmers' phenotype, including skin color?
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    AG isn't a forum that caters to subjective phenotype discussion. However, such discussion related to archeology or genetics is allowed.

    There was a reconstruction of an Iranian woman from a late neolithic/chalcolithic site



    Also, given groups like Baloch among others have high degree of such ancestry, we can assume general similarities between them and IranN, but should not be considered the basis for any comparisons since its based on assumption. Phenotype is subject to sexual selection among other natural selection pressures.

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    Baloch also have significant non-Iran_N ancestry and so are not exactly representative of Iran_N phenotype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    Baloch also have significant non-Iran_N ancestry and so are not exactly representative of Iran_N phenotype.
    I think the case is actually more Iran_N and Copper Age Iranian related ancestry in Baloch peoples, as opposed to Mesolithic East Iranian ancestry found in all other South Asians.

    To the OP Mesolithic phenotypes and reconstructions are pointless because very few folks are going to resemble people from that era, we're talking thousands upon thousands of years of adaptation between then and now. Maybe Sindhis etc are closest relatively in phenotype to the Mesolithic Iranian HG ancestors of South Asians. I'm talking mesolithic because you've posted this in the South Asian section and used images of South Asian peripheral people so I'm assuming your interest is in the ancestors of modern day South Asians, as opposed to Iran_N who were not the ancestors of [most] South Asians and are just a decent proxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    Baloch also have significant non-Iran_N ancestry and so are not exactly representative of Iran_N phenotype.
    From what I have seen, Baloch people have 60-70% Iran Neolithic ancestry; People from the Makran area have closer to 70%, which is where the kids are from.

    The remaining Baloch genetic makeup is ASI (5-15%) and Anatolian farmer.

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    According to Davids spreadsheet Iranians from Mazandaran have almost as high Iran_N as Baloch/Makranis. And they look typically West Asian to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    AG isn't a forum that caters to subjective phenotype discussion. However, such discussion related to archeology or genetics is allowed.

    There was a reconstruction of an Iranian woman from a late neolithic/chalcolithic site



    Also, given groups like Baloch among others have high degree of such ancestry, we can assume general similarities between them and IranN, but should not be considered the basis for any comparisons since its based on assumption. Phenotype is subject to sexual selection among other natural selection pressures.
    The woman in the reconstruction looks somewhat Siberian-like. Maybe she had high ANE.

    Around 8000 yrs ago, Iranian farmers started receiving Anatolian admixture. This woman probably has a lot of Anatolian as well, since she is from 7000 yrs ago and from Tehran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulin View Post
    AG isn't a forum that caters to subjective phenotype discussion. However, such discussion related to archeology or genetics is allowed.

    There was a reconstruction of an Iranian woman from a late neolithic/chalcolithic site



    Also, given groups like Baloch among others have high degree of such ancestry, we can assume general similarities between them and IranN, but should not be considered the basis for any comparisons since its based on assumption. Phenotype is subject to sexual selection among other natural selection pressures.
    Her skull looks in some ways different than the hotu cave skulls. Does anyone have a link to this woman's cranial and postcranial measurements (ali kosh I think).
    Last edited by Aleph; 10-25-2020 at 01:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelen1938 View Post
    The woman in the reconstruction looks somewhat Siberian-like. Maybe she had high ANE.

    Around 8000 yrs ago, Iranian farmers started receiving Anatolian admixture. This woman probably has a lot of Anatolian as well, since she is from 7000 yrs ago and from Tehran.
    yes more like a video game character. The pics you posted on the other hand are more realistic. I don't know on what basis the generated this fake looking image.

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    Iran copper age people would definitely don't looked like the above people.Also modern Kurds-Western Iranics don't look like Balochis and other eastern iranics.

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