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    Target: BuxoroUnscaled
    Distance: 1.6432% / 0.01643197 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    46.2 Baltic_LTU_BA:Turlojiske3
    32.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2200
    11.6 SWE_Battle_Axe:Olsund
    10.2 RUS_Baikal_N:STB002

    Target: BuxoroUnscaled
    Distance: 1.6428% / 0.01642756
    46.0 Baltic_LTU_BA
    31.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    11.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    10.4 RUS_Baikal_N

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buxoro View Post
    Target: BuxoroUnscaled
    Distance: 1.6432% / 0.01643197 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    46.2 Baltic_LTU_BA:Turlojiske3
    32.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2200
    11.6 SWE_Battle_Axe:Olsund
    10.2 RUS_Baikal_N:STB002

    Target: BuxoroUnscaled
    Distance: 1.6428% / 0.01642756
    46.0 Baltic_LTU_BA
    31.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    11.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    10.4 RUS_Baikal_N
    Of course, I can add you if you wish, but I doubt that these references are suitable for you.
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    update with:
    Melissay122 and Melissay122_mum
    Hallstadt_Billany (DA111, DA112)
    Collegno (codes CL***) and Szolad (codes SZ***)

    forum_euro_5way_umap.pdf
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    My father (France - Limousin):
    Distance: 1.5494% / 0.01549408
    54.6 SWE_Battle_Axe
    37.4 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    5.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    2.2 RUS_Baikal_N

    My mother (France - Burgundy/Rhône-Alpes):
    Distance: 1.0947% / 0.01094683
    53.6 SWE_Battle_Axe
    30.6 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    15.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

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    update with Fitis' family:

    forum_euro_5w_pca_umap.pdf

    Fitis, interestingly your father is in the close vicinity of my wife (coded "Odile"), who is a mix of Alsatian (in fact German, nearly on the borderline) and west-central France (Anjou, with very probable Breton ancestry).
    As always between UMAP and the basis file I've filtered the data through a classical PCA.

    For all: here is a little novelty. I'm experimenting with a new kind of PCA called "sparse PCA" ( https://web.stanford.edu/~hastie/Papers/spc_jcgs.pdf and https://github.com/erichson/spca ). The following map has been released with this "sparse PCA" in place of the traditional one. This SPCA is scalable, and the choice of the parameters is not at hand. My final choice leads to the following eigenvalues: 1169, 521, 163, 5, which seems very satisfying. On the resulting map, I can't see impressive differences, and honestly real benefits neither (outside of the fact that the computing time in R is very short). I publish it, tell me if you see some oddities.

    forum_euro_5w_spca_umap.pdf
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    Thanks Angles!!
    This stuff is 'funest' for me, I alway want to associate, lay connections.....
    Still not sure if this is a brain breaker or a laughing mirror (dixit Huijbregts).

    Dad and I seem to be quite right a bunch of Dutch, Vikings, Icelanders and Finn (Dad).



    So far so good but mom seems to be lost in transition. (Sweden, Irish, French, Dutch, VK, amalgam....may be Aroon and Aroon Mom give a straw, I forgot their ancestry....

    PS/add sorry Aroon, flashlight it's mostly Irish I see....

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    The paradox is that while UMAP is not supposed to be very useful in accounting for the overall structure, this structure is described here in a very interesting way. Of course, the NW cluster is more or less in keeping with habits: it's a mess. But I am convinced that this is only the reality. As for local observations (relating to individuals), I have not yet taken the exploration very far, but I have not yet found anything shocking. It might be interesting to compare the positions of VK (Margaryan) with their supposed autosomal structure. I haven't had time for this yet.

    globalstruct.JPG
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    En North fum naiz, en North manom

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    The paradox is that while UMAP is not supposed to be very useful in accounting for the overall structure, this structure is described here in a very interesting way. Of course, the NW cluster is more or less in keeping with habits: it's a mess. But I am convinced that this is only the reality. As for local observations (relating to individuals), I have not yet taken the exploration very far, but I have not yet found anything shocking. It might be interesting to compare the positions of VK (Margaryan) with their supposed autosomal structure. I haven't had time for this yet.

    globalstruct.JPG
    Compliment Angles I guess you are on the right track, I forgot to mention that Dad and I plot close to SZ22 and as I can see in other plots this one is mostly typical North Sea Germanic like.
    My Mom has compared to us slightly lower Battle Axe and higher Ansarve Megalthic and Baltic BA (TRB touch?). That gives a slightly other shift I guess.
    The advantage of this step in between is that it also makes an analysis possible (and I know for what it's worth).

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    The paradox is that while UMAP is not supposed to be very useful in accounting for the overall structure, this structure is described here in a very interesting way. Of course, the NW cluster is more or less in keeping with habits: it's a mess. But I am convinced that this is only the reality. As for local observations (relating to individuals), I have not yet taken the exploration very far, but I have not yet found anything shocking. It might be interesting to compare the positions of VK (Margaryan) with their supposed autosomal structure. I haven't had time for this yet.

    globalstruct.JPG
    Could you do us a favor and publish the last map in PDF format so we can enlarge it?

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    I'm surrounded by more Spanish than the Portuguese army at Aljubarrota. I do not like this plot one bit, Angles

     


    PS: Did you remove Spanish samples' regional label?
    YDNA E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y134104>Y168273>FT17866 (TMRCA ~1100AD) - Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1690 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal - Stonemason, miller.
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    [1] "distance%=1.6023"

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