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    A little calculator (one more!) for Europeans with G25 UNSCALED

    Disclaimer: You will not find anything fundamental, revolutionary or in any way overwhelming in this thread. I just had the impression that a lot of friends addicted to "calculators" were a little bored, and I décided to give them something to take care of a little. So I took the references that I have used a lot lately with qpfstats, and made a small model for G25-UNSCALED. As I wanted something simple enough to avoid gas factories full of statistical noise, I sacrificed some marginal components (like those of the Levant and North Africa), even if it means that some groups are imperfectly adapted. To check that this model worked well enough, I tested it with a fairly large choice of modern groupsets.
    1) I have eliminated some overly disturbing results (eg Spaniards with 15% Baikal).
    2) I calculated a PCA and kept only the first 4 components.
    3) I finally had a UMAP representation drawn from this PCA with R (default settings). The result is in my opinion rather satisfactory:

    euro_pca_umap.jpg

    Here is this model (I repeat: G25 UNSCALED)

    SWE_Battle_Axe:ber1M,0.0114,0.0118,0.0166,0.021,0. 0095,0.0082,-0.001,0.001,-0.0051,-0.01,-0.004,0,-0.0035,-0.0125,0.0128,0.0117,0.0118,0.0025,-0.0015,0.0055,-0.0015,0.0033,0.0042,0.0087,-0.0033
    SWE_Battle_Axe:ber2F,0.0108,0.0121,0.0157,0.0222,0 .0017,0.0082,0.0037,-0.0037,-0.0013,-0.0098,0.0007,0.0019,-0.005,-0.0163,0.0052,-0.0026,-0.0035,0.004,-0.0063,-0.0072,0,-0.0022,0.0117,0.0095,-0.0048
    SWE_Battle_Axe:Olsund,0.011,0.012,0.0134,0.0219,0. 0085,0.0081,0.0023,0.001,-0.0114,-0.0105,-0.0003,0.0002,-0.0087,-0.0087,0.0149,0.002,-0.0132,0.002,0.0043,-0.002,0.0019,0.0009,0.0043,0.014,-0.0106
    SWE_Battle_Axe:RISE94,0.0101,0.0121,0.014,0.0192,0 .0054,0.0101,0.0038,0.0007,-0.0077,-0.0095,-0.0041,0.0048,-0.0024,-0.0067,0.0152,0.0116,-0.0061,0,0.0011,0.0051,0.0046,-0.0032,0,0.0046,-0.0055
    SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve:ans008,0.0107,0.016,0.0168,-0.0062,0.0259,-0.0079,0.0018,0.0042,0.0244,0.0364,0.001,-0.0018,-0.011,-0.0019,-0.0058,0.0035,0.0073,0.0037,0.0083,0.0017,0.0123,0 .0043,-0.0127,-0.0312,-0.0013
    SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve:ans014,0.0109,0.0165,0.0157 ,-0.0054,0.0296,-0.0056,-0.0002,-0.0011,0.0271,0.0378,0.0017,0.0081,-0.0068,0.0008,-0.0083,0.0067,0.0045,0.0029,0.0041,0.002,0.0082,0. 0065,-0.0097,-0.0242,-0.0003
    SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve:ans016,0.0104,0.0165,0.0156 ,-0.0019,0.0253,-0.0014,-0.0034,0.0053,0.027,0.0332,-0.0025,-0.0007,-0.0086,-0.011,-0.0137,0.0213,0.0134,-0.0025,0.0038,-0.0023,0.0032,0.0009,-0.006,-0.0232,0.0062
    SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve:ans017,0.0118,0.0156,0.0162 ,-0.0057,0.0285,-0.0043,0.0004,0.0014,0.0253,0.0387,0.0003,0.0044,-0.0054,-0.002,-0.0047,0.0074,0.0042,0.0025,0.0056,0.0032,0.0063,0 .0023,-0.0102,-0.0261,0.0027
    RUS_Baikal_N:I7760,0.0059,-0.021,0.0199,0.0068,-0.0243,-0.0106,-0.0053,-0.0004,0.0024,0.0028,0.0055,0.0044,0.0034,-0.0294,0.0037,-0.0062,-0.0108,0.0001,0.0073,0.0156,-0.0255,0.0057,0.01,-0.0074,0.0015
    RUS_Baikal_N:IUO001,0.0037,-0.0377,0.0261,0.001,-0.0293,-0.0131,-0.0009,-0.0034,0.0045,-0.0017,-0.001,0.0001,0.0017,-0.0112,-0.0058,-0.003,0.0016,0.0007,0.0044,0.0119,-0.0118,-0.0038,-0.014,-0.0017,-0.001
    RUS_Baikal_N:KAG001,0.0034,-0.0358,0.0228,-0.0019,-0.0269,-0.0155,0.0016,0.0023,0.0044,0.0044,-0.0048,0.0014,0.0028,-0.0067,-0.0032,-0.0042,0.0002,-0.0008,-0.0005,0.0172,-0.0161,-0.0078,-0.0093,-0.0083,-0.0012
    RUS_Baikal_N:STB002,0.0027,-0.039,0.0234,0.0009,-0.0291,-0.0181,-0.0009,-0.0008,0.0042,-0.0007,-0.0046,-0.0057,0.0013,-0.0077,0.0011,0.0033,0.0004,-0.0014,0.0059,0.0079,-0.0202,-0.0097,-0.0093,-0.0016,0.002
    TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2200,0.009,0.0153,-0.0123,-0.0242,-0.0022,-0.0097,-0.0012,-0.0013,-0.0054,0.013,0.0054,0.0066,-0.0074,0.0017,-0.0107,-0.0117,0.0068,-0.0019,0.0052,-0.0028,-0.0038,-0.0005,-0.0022,-0.0006,-0.0078
    TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2203,0.0088,0.0148,-0.0073,-0.0229,0.0013,-0.0089,-0.0027,-0.003,-0.0008,0.0174,0.0048,0.0042,-0.0079,-0.0016,-0.0097,0.002,0.0092,0.0013,0.0082,-0.0155,-0.008,0.0088,-0.0033,0.0045,-0.0013
    TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2205,0.0098,0.0147,-0.0137,-0.028,-0.0012,-0.009,0.0013,-0.0031,-0.0111,0.0155,0.0031,0.0049,-0.0038,0.0076,-0.0114,-0.001,0.0132,-0.0056,0.0047,0.0006,-0.0016,0.0053,-0.0047,0.0008,0.0055
    TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA:MA2206,0.0093,0.0149,-0.0116,-0.0269,-0.0032,-0.0118,-0.0015,-0.0061,-0.005,0.0165,0.0107,0.003,-0.0134,0.0013,-0.009,-0.0028,0.0066,-0.0006,0.0099,-0.006,0.0032,0.0064,-0.0054,0.0055,-0.0011
    Baltic_LTU_BA:Turlojiske1,0.0108,0.0125,0.0245,0.0 305,0.0138,0.0124,-0.0008,0.0044,-0.0003,-0.0273,-0.0005,-0.0124,0.0088,0.0233,-0.007,-0.0003,-0.0049,0.0024,-0.0065,-0.001,-0.002,0.0042,0.0019,-0.0177,0.0079
    Baltic_LTU_BA:Turlojiske3,0.0119,0.0128,0.0238,0.0 277,0.0125,0.0137,0.007,0.0052,-0.0028,-0.0258,-0.0022,-0.0114,0.0117,0.0158,-0.0072,-0.0051,-0.0086,0.0017,-0.0013,0.0021,-0.0035,-0.0022,-0.0011,-0.0063,0.0074
    En North alom, de North venom
    En North fum naiz, en North manom

    (Roman de Rou, Wace, 1160-1170)

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    Target: Cyryl
    Distance: 1.2703% / 0.01270263
    59.2 Baltic_LTU_BA
    20.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    10.2 SWE_Battle_Axe
    9.0 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    1.4 RUS_Baikal_N
    23andme 5.9: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,2% Anatolian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

    Distance: 1.8082% / 0.01808160
    Target: Cyryl_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    85.3 East_Europe
    7.4 Southeast_Europe
    5.0 Sephardic
    2.3 Asia_Minor



    Ancestry: 68,75% Polish minority in Ukraine, 12,5% Northern Russian, 12,5% Alfatar Bulgarian ( + Sephardic ancestry ) , 6,25% Kuban Cossack

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    I forgot to give mine:

    Target: Pat_S
    Distance: 1.5995% / 0.01599531
    59.4 SWE_Battle_Axe
    24.2 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    12.0 Baltic_LTU_BA
    4.4 RUS_Baikal_N

    Target: angle_mom
    Distance: 1.5870% / 0.01587004
    69.6 SWE_Battle_Axe
    25.2 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    2.8 RUS_Baikal_N
    2.4 Baltic_LTU_BA

    Target: angle_dad
    Distance: 1.2585% / 0.01258458
    54.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    27.4 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    15.0 Baltic_LTU_BA
    2.4 RUS_Baikal_N
    En North alom, de North venom
    En North fum naiz, en North manom

    (Roman de Rou, Wace, 1160-1170)

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    Target: Jerome
    Distance: 1.6028% / 0.01602812
    74.0 SWE_Battle_Axe
    23.6 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    2.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

    Target: Father
    Distance: 1.7219% / 0.01721901
    76.6 SWE_Battle_Axe
    23.4 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve

    Target: Mother
    Distance: 1.9478% / 0.01947771
    78.0 SWE_Battle_Axe
    21.4 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    0.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    Last edited by jstephan; 10-25-2020 at 02:49 PM.

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    Here’s mine:

    Target: JMcB
    Distance: 1.1276% / 0.01127624

    69.2 SWE_Battle_Axe
    30.8 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve


    Distance to: JMcB
    0.02935183 SWE_Battle_Axe:RISE94
    0.03168627 SWE_Battle_Axe:Olsund
    0.03282880 SWE_Battle_Axe:ber1M
    0.03369570 SWE_Battle_Axe:ber2F
    0.05849761 Baltic_LTU_BA:Turlojiske3
    0.06101811 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve:ans017
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Target: Greg
    Distance: 1.8587% / 0.01858696
    81.2 SWE_Battle_Axe
    16.6 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    2.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

    Target: Greg_Bro
    Distance: 1.7203% / 0.01720349
    82.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    14.8 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    2.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

    Target: Greg_Mum
    Distance: 1.6929% / 0.01692921
    79.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    19.2 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    1.0 RUS_Baikal_N

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    Northeastern French :

    Distance: 2.0762% / 0.02076242
    59.2 SWE_Battle_Axe
    30.6 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    8.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    2.0 RUS_Baikal_N

    Southwestern French :

    Distance: 1.3798% / 0.01379844
    43.6 SWE_Battle_Axe
    39.2 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    17.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

    Mine :

    Distance: 1.2912% / 0.01291150
    53.4 SWE_Battle_Axe
    24.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    22.4 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    Last edited by Massam; 10-25-2020 at 03:04 PM.

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    Me:

    Target: gixajo
    Distance: 1.7407% / 0.01740705

    47.8 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    39.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    10.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    2.2 RUS_Baikal_N

    My father:


    Target: gixajo_dad
    Distance: 1.7899% / 0.01789850

    41.6 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    30.6 SWE_Battle_Axe
    22.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    5.4 RUS_Baikal_N

    My mother:


    Target: gixajo_mom
    Distance: 2.2367% / 0.02236693

    47.2 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    45.4 SWE_Battle_Axe
    5.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    2.4 RUS_Baikal_N

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    France-Ile-de-France France Bouches-du-Rhône France Lyon France Dauphiné
    Target: E_M81_mother
    Distance: 0.9917% / 0.00991748
    48.0 SWE_Battle_Axe
    35.8 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    16.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA

    Target: E_M81_nephew
    Distance: 0.9828% / 0.00982814
    52.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    40.0 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    7.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
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    Target: FionnS
    Distance: 2.6240% / 0.02623987
    86.2 SWE_Battle_Axe
    12.2 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    1.6 RUS_Baikal_N

    Dad
    Target: FS_dad
    Distance: 2.3596% / 0.02359576
    81.4 SWE_Battle_Axe
    18.6 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve

    Mum
    Target: FS_mum
    Distance: 1.8544% / 0.01854350
    84.8 SWE_Battle_Axe
    15.2 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve

    Paternal Great Aunt
    Target: FS_pgaunt
    Distance: 2.0212% / 0.02021239
    84.4 SWE_Battle_Axe
    15.6 SWE_Megalithic_Ansarve
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (P) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (Uí Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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