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Thread: Insular Celts vs Scandinavians - C vs G model

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    The iron age Scandinavian samples aren't good enough for ya?? I'll look to see if these DEU MA are on the C vs G. I don't think they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    I love them all, but if ypu want to know the Germanic core you need the DEU MA IMO.... Besides HS2 the fresh from the boat A-S?
    Its more about positioning on the graph than the names of the samples. The saxons are within modern bounds so I won't be using those. if you run that saxon through the model it should get something like 80% Scandinavia. I'm very curious as to these Germans and where they plot

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    Target: DMACMom
    Distance: 1.4720% / 0.01472039
    54.2 Insular_Celt
    36.2 Scandinavian
    7.4 Gallo-Latin
    2.2 Germanic

    Target: DMACMom
    Distance: 1.4774% / 0.01477381 | ADC: 0.25x
    57.6 Insular_Celt
    35.4 Scandinavian
    4.6 Gallo-Latin
    2.4 Germanic

    Target: DMACMom
    Distance: 1.5152% / 0.01515216 | ADC: 0.5x
    63.6 Insular_Celt
    32.8 Scandinavian
    3.6 Germanic

    Distance to: DMACMom
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    0.02736183 Insular_Celt:VK203
    0.02926978 Insular_Celt:VK545
    0.02936171 Insular_Celt:6DT22
    0.02954420 Insular_Celt:6DT21
    0.03098467 Insular_Celt:I0156
    0.03116087 Germanic:German:German17
    0.03116103 Insular_Celt:VK202
    0.03217872 Insular_Celt:I0789
    0.03237468 Scandinavian:VK523
    0.03260521 Insular_Celt:VK201
    0.03307733 Insular_Celt:VK207
    0.03338622 Insular_Celt:M1489
    0.03401970 Insular_Celt:SSG-A4
    0.03455676 Germanic:German:German40
    0.03515082 Germanic:German:German29
    0.03582052 Germanic:German:German60
    0.03613004 Germanic:German:German73
    0.03628168 Insular_Celt:6DT3
    0.03643721 Scandinavian:VK2020_NOR_South_VA:VK387
    0.03691016 Germanicutch_Centralutch_Central3

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    Gallo-Latin:C_32,0.0176,0.0035,0.0085,0.0006,-0.0091,0.0038,0.0062,0.0017,0.0051,-0.0012,0.0056,0.0009,-0.0006,-0.0019,0.0002,-0.0124,-0.0007,-0.0101,-0.0098,0.0003,-0.0014,-0.0038,-0.0015,-0.0025,-0.0049
    Gallo-Latin:C_34,0.007,0.0125,-0.0037,0.0008,0.0064,-0.001,-0.0006,0.0011,-0.0137,0.0043,0.0007,0.0006,-0.0007,0.0066,-0.0037,0,-0.0005,-0.0045,0.0045,0.0005,0.0036,-0.0058,-0.0024,0.001,-0.0045
    Gallo-Latin:C_35,0.0164,0.0021,0.0016,-0.0022,0.003,-0.0106,-0.0077,-0.0008,0.0001,-0.0046,0.0013,0.002,-0.0029,0.0067,-0.0075,-0.0011,-0.0003,-0.0043,-0.006,0.0057,-0.0002,-0.0016,-0.002,0.0014,-0.0066
    Gallo-Latin:C_37,0.0128,0.0047,0.0008,0.0086,-0.0084,0.0064,-0.0019,-0.0045,0.0081,0.0025,0.0057,-0.0013,-0.0018,-0.0075,0.0002,-0.004,-0.0008,0.0039,0.0085,0.001,-0.0011,0.0088,-0.0026,0.0038,-0.0078
    Gallo-Latin:C_40,0.008,-0.0078,-0.0028,0.0025,-0.0031,0.0018,-0.0075,0.0029,0.0087,0.0019,0.0081,0.0014,-0.0038,0.0055,0.0099,0.0046,-0.0024,-0.0008,-0.0054,-0.0005,-0.0044,0.0045,-0.0072,0.0009,-0.0104
    Gallo-Latin:C_44,0.0093,0.0006,0.0138,-0.0025,-0.0104,0.0025,0.008,0.0029,-0.0048,0.007,0.0025,0.0081,-0.0067,0.0082,-0.0024,0.0032,0.0022,0.0019,0.0062,0.0114,-0.0075,0.0011,0.0057,0.0004,-0.0012
    Gallo-Latin:C_51,0.0088,0.0048,0.0099,0.0087,0.0008,-0.0058,-0.0036,-0.0033,0.0005,-0.0013,0.0061,0.0008,-0.0055,0.0079,-0.0049,-0.0001,0.0051,-0.0085,-0.0076,-0.0013,0,-0.0145,-0.0036,0.0039,-0.0172
    Gallo-Latin:C_68,0.0152,0.0011,0.0003,0.0025,0.0032,-0.0014,-0.0051,0.0061,0.0062,-0.0034,0.0075,0.0008,-0.0013,-0.008,-0.0025,-0.0038,0.0054,-0.0066,0.0061,-0.0005,-0.0065,-0.0073,0.0009,0.0089,-0.0085
    Gallo-Latin:C_70,0.0112,-0.0006,-0.0008,0.0078,-0.0005,0.0007,-0.0001,0.0016,-0.0011,0.0038,0.0006,0.0118,0.0006,0.0001,-0.003,-0.0061,-0.0019,0.0067,0.0002,0.0013,0.0032,-0.0011,0.0035,-0.0032,0.002
    Gallo-Latin:C_80,0.017,-0.0006,0.0059,0.0098,-0.0054,-0.0002,0.0011,0.0085,-0.0017,0.004,0.0043,0.0039,0.0073,-0.0045,0.0007,-0.0041,-0.0075,0.0057,-0.005,0.0075,0.0109,0.0042,0.0067,-0.0028,0.0122
    Gallo-Latin:C_82,0.0112,-0.0041,0.0065,0.0063,0.0008,-0.0029,0.0033,0.0059,-0.0009,0.004,-0.0115,0.0019,-0.0016,0.0083,0.0034,-0.0066,-0.0038,-0.002,0.0085,-0.0022,-0.0022,0.0015,-0.0053,-0.0017,-0.0104
    Gallo-Latin:C_97,0.0106,-0.0088,0.0004,0.0116,0.0096,0.0047,-0.0135,-0.0032,0.0026,0.0003,-0.0036,-0.0031,-0.0013,-0.0044,-0.0041,-0.0085,-0.0034,-0.0014,0.002,0.0053,0.0004,-0.0058,0.009,-0.0001,-0.0092
    Gallo-Latin:CL84,0.0223,-0.0019,-0.0021,0.0071,0.0121,0.0037,-0.0029,-0.0066,-0.0036,-0.0078,-0.0021,-0.0005,0.0044,-0.006,0.0039,-0.0008,0.0033,0.0016,-0.0068,-0.0039,-0.0035,-0.0031,-0.005,0.0019,-0.0046
    Germanic:German:German2,-0.0124,-0.0172,0.0079,0.0057,-0.0071,0.0199,-0.0028,-0.0027,0.0031,-0.0136,0.0051,0.0053,0.0035,0.0025,-0.0075,-0.0011,-0.0047,-0.0025,-0.0005,-0.001,-0.0103,-0.0053,0.0003,-0.0031,0.0034
    Germanic:German:German31,-0.0128,-0.0162,-0.0124,0.0071,-0.0002,-0.0037,-0.0056,-0.0007,-0.0118,-0.0035,-0.0041,-0.0064,0.0001,-0.006,-0.0034,0.0037,0.0023,0.0053,0.0063,-0.005,0.0113,0.0001,-0.0009,0.0127,0.0005
    Germanic:German:German37,-0.0124,-0.013,0.0062,0.0054,0.0052,0.0011,0,-0.004,-0.0021,0.0034,0.0107,-0.0153,0.0015,-0.0023,-0.0185,0.0042,-0.0067,-0.0014,-0.0071,0.015,-0.0069,-0.0042,-0.0085,-0.0093,-0.0046
    Germanic:German:German6,-0.015,-0.0151,-0.0107,0.005,0.0149,0.0081,0.0062,-0.0043,-0.013,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0026,0.0097,-0.0108,0.0022,0.005,-0.0022,0.0114,-0.0109,0.0084,0.0009,-0.0148,0.0075,0.0025,0.0032
    Germanic:German:German51,-0.0145,-0.0129,0.0014,-0.0012,-0.0097,0.0005,0.0013,-0.0092,-0.0023,0.0003,0.0034,-0.0066,0.0039,0.0032,-0.0009,0.0025,-0.02,-0.0026,0.0073,-0.0068,0.0013,-0.0059,-0.0117,0.0054,-0.0026
    Germanic:German:German16,-0.0142,-0.0083,0.0187,-0.0032,-0.0118,0.0049,-0.0081,-0.0098,-0.002,-0.0105,0.0007,-0.0042,-0.0048,0.0058,-0.014,-0.0136,-0.0055,0.0039,-0.0126,-0.0106,-0.002,-0.0031,0.0049,-0.004,-0.002
    Germanic:German:German23,-0.0156,-0.0094,-0.008,0.002,0.0068,0.006,0.0064,-0.0018,-0.0015,-0.005,-0.0023,-0.0046,0.0028,0.0014,0.0039,-0.0104,-0.0122,0.0056,0.006,-0.0041,-0.0071,-0.0035,-0.0051,0.0023,0.0023
    Germanic:German:German10,-0.0156,-0.0097,0.0052,0.0028,0.0003,0.0016,-0.0085,-0.0132,-0.0033,0.0025,-0.0098,-0.002,-0.0051,-0.0101,0.002,0.0077,-0.0036,0.0009,0.0038,0.0031,-0.0031,0.0038,-0.0022,-0.0013,0.0074
    Germanic:German:German73,-0.016,-0.0098,-0.0019,0.0008,0.0013,0.0025,-0.0151,0.0029,-0.0034,0.0027,-0.0144,-0.0012,0.001,-0.0091,0.0097,-0.0027,-0.0037,0.0059,0.001,-0.0112,-0.0027,-0.0016,0.0051,-0.0027,-0.0096
    Germanic:German:German29,-0.0175,-0.0128,0.0117,0.0005,0.0015,0.0023,0.0002,0.0039,-0.0012,-0.0012,0.0023,0.0054,0.0067,0.0047,0.0043,-0.0046,-0.0046,0.0069,-0.0058,0.0121,0.0098,-0.006,-0.0021,-0.0053,0.0024
    Germanic:German:German60,-0.0199,-0.0158,-0.0015,0.0068,-0.0048,-0.0039,0.0022,-0.0033,0.0055,0.0058,0.0032,-0.0088,-0.0067,0.0055,0.0051,0.0011,0.0099,-0.003,-0.0031,-0.0083,0.0076,0.0004,-0.0001,0.0069,-0.0051
    Germanic:German:German40,-0.0222,-0.0143,0.0082,0.0061,-0.0076,-0.0051,-0.0062,-0.0013,-0.0044,-0.0059,0.0011,0.0044,-0.0037,-0.0005,0.0029,-0.0118,0.0092,0.0024,0.0019,0.0006,0.0021,-0.0015,-0.0035,-0.0082,0.0062
    Germanic:German:German13,-0.0233,-0.0163,0.0062,0.0023,-0.0035,-0.001,0.006,-0.0089,0.0008,-0.0003,-0.0083,0.002,-0.0002,0.0099,-0.0051,-0.0038,-0.0004,-0.0058,0.0007,-0.0024,0.0038,-0.0029,0.0013,0.0052,0.0073
    Germanic:German:German34,-0.0175,-0.0088,-0.0147,0.0106,0.0034,-0.001,0.0084,-0.0028,0.0049,-0.0106,0.0099,0.0033,0.0066,0.0021,-0.0089,-0.0022,-0.0018,0.0006,0.0018,-0.0041,0.004,0.0066,0.0035,-0.0011,0.0028
    Germanic:German:German17,-0.0214,-0.0089,-0.0081,-0.0031,-0.0052,0.0084,-0.0074,-0.0025,-0.0007,0.0043,-0.012,-0.0028,-0.0036,0.0073,0.0055,-0.0049,-0.0015,0.0023,0.003,0.0025,0.0076,-0.0085,-0.0002,0.0079,-0.0024
    Germanic:Dutch_Central:Dutch_Central1,-0.0194,-0.0125,-0.0063,-0.0111,-0.0115,-0.0019,-0.0006,0.0037,-0.0023,-0.0144,-0.0037,0.0137,0.0156,0.004,0.0036,-0.0069,0,-0.0029,0.0007,-0.0027,0.0033,0.0096,-0.007,-0.0048,-0.0032
    Germanic:Dutch_Central:Dutch_Central3,-0.0194,-0.0128,0.0021,0.0056,-0.003,0.0005,0.0082,0.001,-0.0087,-0.0027,0.0066,0.0031,-0.0017,0.0001,-0.0081,0.0056,0.005,0.0086,-0.0007,0.0066,-0.0044,-0.0009,0.0032,0.0018,0.0056
    Germanic:CL57,-0.0112,-0.0135,0.0133,-0.0031,-0.006,0.0069,-0.0054,0.0047,-0.006,0.0028,-0.0025,-0.0056,-0.0047,0.005,-0.0015,-0.0031,-0.0006,-0.009,-0.0002,0.0032,-0.0005,0.0007,-0.0091,0.0007,0.0068
    Germanic:SZ24,-0.0229,-0.0149,0.0101,-0.0149,-0.0105,0.0013,-0.0019,-0.0056,0.0075,0.0009,0.0001,0.0077,-0.0022,0.0092,-0.0019,-0.0042,0.0062,-0.001,0.0033,0.0091,0.0032,0.0041,0.0031,-0.0073,-0.004
    Germanic:ALH_10,-0.0227,-0.0215,-0.0056,-0.0024,-0.0167,-0.007,0.0027,0.0016,0.0043,-0.0052,0.0066,-0.0076,0.0096,0.0056,-0.0069,0.0049,-0.0058,0.005,-0.0031,0.0001,0.0021,-0.0024,-0.0039,-0.002,0.0007
    Added three historical Germanic samples, ALH_10 is the "most Germanic" sample plot-wise - As defined by the direction of this model.
    Added Anglo Saxons to the Scandinavian Category - three fell nicely into the Scandinavian cluster of the PCA.
    Trimmed up the Celtic cluster a bit, it was too broad. More trimming may come later.

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  9. #155
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    Target: Garimund
    Distance: 1.8758% / 0.01875792 | ADC: 0.5x
    67.8 Insular_Celt
    27.6 Gallo-Latin
    4.6 Germanic

    Target: SktiboDad
    Distance: 1.5966% / 0.01596607 | ADC: 0.5x
    51.8 Insular_Celt
    25.4 Gallo-Latin
    17.2 Scandinavian
    5.6 Germanic

    Target: Sktibo
    Distance: 1.3411% / 0.01341104 | ADC: 0.5x
    54.0 Insular_Celt
    24.6 Gallo-Latin
    17.2 Scandinavian
    4.2 Germanic

    Target: Garimund
    Distance: 1.8291% / 0.01829128 | ADC: 0.25x
    59.0 Insular_Celt
    32.0 Gallo-Latin
    9.0 Germanic

    Target: SktiboDad
    Distance: 1.5084% / 0.01508365 | ADC: 0.25x
    38.6 Insular_Celt
    32.0 Gallo-Latin
    25.0 Scandinavian
    4.4 Germanic

    Target: Sktibo
    Distance: 1.2863% / 0.01286315 | ADC: 0.25x
    45.4 Insular_Celt
    27.6 Gallo-Latin
    20.6 Scandinavian
    6.4 Germanic

    Target: Garimund
    Distance: 1.8170% / 0.01816974
    54.6 Insular_Celt
    33.6 Gallo-Latin
    11.8 Germanic

    Target: SktiboDad
    Distance: 1.4994% / 0.01499384
    33.4 Gallo-Latin
    32.8 Insular_Celt
    27.8 Scandinavian
    6.0 Germanic

    Target: Sktibo
    Distance: 1.2797% / 0.01279685
    42.2 Insular_Celt
    27.6 Gallo-Latin
    21.6 Scandinavian
    8.6 Germanic

    I think 0.5x is too much, personally.

    Knowing that the Anglo-Saxons plot with the Scandinavians and not with the Germanic samples, that makes me wear my Scandinavian percentage a little more proudly. No offense to the other Germanic groups of course! I've got a bit of a sweet spot for the Angles.. wait.. not that angles..
    Last edited by sktibo; 10-29-2020 at 12:59 AM.

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  11. #156
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    Target: Greg
    Distance: 1.5657% / 0.01565716 | ADC: 0.5x
    53.0 Insular_Celt
    27.8 Germanic
    16.4 Scandinavian
    2.8 Gallo-Latin

    Target: Greg
    Distance: 1.5172% / 0.01517212 | ADC: 0.25x
    47.0 Insular_Celt
    24.4 Germanic
    19.4 Scandinavian
    9.2 Gallo-Latin

    Target: Greg
    Distance: 1.5134% / 0.01513420
    45.0 Insular_Celt
    23.0 Germanic
    20.6 Scandinavian
    11.4 Gallo-Latin

    No real difference here, maybe a slight stronger german pull, but negligible. Still in the realm of plausible....... but surprised by your Scandic pull Sktibo

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    Finn's Update V3:

    Me:

    Distance: 1.5467997679273187%

    Gallo-Latin: 52.4%
    Insular_Celt: 31.1%
    Germanic: 16.5%

    Dad:

    Distance: 1.7164948316272262%

    Gallo-Latin: 48.9%
    Germanic: 40.5%
    Insular_Celt: 6.6%
    Scandinavian: 4.0%

    Mom:

    Distance: 1.219758264123543%

    Gallo-Latin: 40.1%
    Insular_Celt: 22.4%
    Scandinavian: 20.5%
    Germanic: 16.9%

    Wife:

    Distance: 0.8223860934438529%

    Germanic: 40.4%
    Gallo-Latin: 31.8%
    Insular_Celt: 27.8%

    Father in law:

    Distance: 1.2759053819342305%

    Insular_Celt: 57.5%
    Scandinavian: 16.0%
    Gallo-Latin: 14.1%
    Germanic: 12.5%

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  15. #158
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    Target: Owen
    Distance: 0.0180% / 0.01799857
    79.4 Insular_Celt
    8.8 Gallo-Latin
    7.4 Scandinavian
    4.4 Germanic

    Target: Owen
    Distance: 0.0181% / 0.01806789 | ADC: 0.25x
    83.2 Insular_Celt
    8.2 Gallo-Latin
    5.8 Scandinavian
    2.8 Germanic

    Target: OwenMom
    Distance: 0.0162% / 0.01618443
    96.2 Insular_Celt
    3.8 Germanic

    Target: OwenMom
    Distance: 0.0162% / 0.01622331 | ADC: 0.25x
    97.8 Insular_Celt
    2.2 Germanic


    Distance to: Owen
    0.02262278 Insular_Celt:SSG-A4
    0.02568540 Insular_Celt:VK202
    0.02814516 Insular_Celt:VK201
    0.02889291 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish23
    0.02932132 Insular_Celt:VK203
    0.02945047 Insular_Celt:VK545
    0.03030264 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish13
    0.03215758 Insular_Celt:I0160
    0.03223616 Insular_Celt:VK528
    0.03234440 Insular_Celt:VK207
    0.03468299 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish20
    0.03590752 Insular_Celt:6DT23
    0.03697242 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish15
    0.03712506 Insular_Celt:M1489
    0.03739532 Insular_Celt:6DT21
    0.03828120 Insular_Celt:6DT3
    0.03834919 Insular_Celt:ORE-A1
    0.03929860 Scandinavian:I0157
    0.04048185 Gallo-Latin:C_34
    0.04078235 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish11
    0.04307853 Scandinavian:I0773
    0.04365123 Germanicutch_Centralutch_Central3
    0.04365295 Scandinavian:NO3423
    0.04571324 Germanic:CL57
    0.04598010 Germanic:German:German10

    Distance to: OwenMom
    0.02212645 Insular_Celt:SSG-A4
    0.02254573 Insular_Celt:VK202
    0.02464488 Insular_Celt:VK203
    0.02664995 Insular_Celt:VK201
    0.02704737 Insular_Celt:VK545
    0.02870366 Insular_Celt:6DT23
    0.02985599 Insular_Celt:VK528
    0.03005944 Insular_Celt:VK207
    0.03141114 Insular_Celt:6DT21
    0.03197593 Insular_Celt:M1489
    0.03312884 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish20
    0.03316685 Insular_Celt:6DT3
    0.03337110 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish23
    0.03423040 Insular_Celt:I0160
    0.03490688 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish11
    0.03592019 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish13
    0.03741323 Insular_Celt:ORE-A1
    0.03746291 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish15
    0.03911125 Scandinavian:I0157
    0.04115228 Gallo-Latin:C_34
    0.04321285 Scandinavian:I0773
    0.04368135 Germanic:German:German10
    0.04443827 Germanic:German:German17
    0.04476081 Scandinavian:VK2020_NOR_South_VA:VK387
    0.04479196 Germanic:German:German73

    My mum really is pure Irish in my mind. That 14% Scottish is something I am really questioning the authenticity of at this point.
    Last edited by Nqp15hhu; 10-29-2020 at 02:32 AM.

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  17. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    Its more about positioning on the graph than the names of the samples. The saxons are within modern bounds so I won't be using those. if you run that saxon through the model it should get something like 80% Scandinavia. I'm very curious as to these Germans and where they plot
    I was fooling around with them earlier and they’re fairly dispersed compared to your earlier Germanic grouping.

    Attachment 40754


    Edit: This is a slightly different model I was experimenting with that includes your earlier Germanic group.

    Attachment 40755


    Combining them together does tighten it up some.

    Attachment 40757
    Last edited by JMcB; 10-29-2020 at 04:13 AM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    Target: Owen
    Distance: 0.0180% / 0.01799857
    79.4 Insular_Celt
    8.8 Gallo-Latin
    7.4 Scandinavian
    4.4 Germanic

    Target: Owen
    Distance: 0.0181% / 0.01806789 | ADC: 0.25x
    83.2 Insular_Celt
    8.2 Gallo-Latin
    5.8 Scandinavian
    2.8 Germanic

    Target: OwenMom
    Distance: 0.0162% / 0.01618443
    96.2 Insular_Celt
    3.8 Germanic

    Target: OwenMom
    Distance: 0.0162% / 0.01622331 | ADC: 0.25x
    97.8 Insular_Celt
    2.2 Germanic


    Distance to: Owen
    0.02262278 Insular_Celt:SSG-A4
    0.02568540 Insular_Celt:VK202
    0.02814516 Insular_Celt:VK201
    0.02889291 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish23
    0.02932132 Insular_Celt:VK203
    0.02945047 Insular_Celt:VK545
    0.03030264 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish13
    0.03215758 Insular_Celt:I0160
    0.03223616 Insular_Celt:VK528
    0.03234440 Insular_Celt:VK207
    0.03468299 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish20
    0.03590752 Insular_Celt:6DT23
    0.03697242 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish15
    0.03712506 Insular_Celt:M1489
    0.03739532 Insular_Celt:6DT21
    0.03828120 Insular_Celt:6DT3
    0.03834919 Insular_Celt:ORE-A1
    0.03929860 Scandinavian:I0157
    0.04048185 Gallo-Latin:C_34
    0.04078235 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish11
    0.04307853 Scandinavian:I0773
    0.04365123 Germanicutch_Centralutch_Central3
    0.04365295 Scandinavian:NO3423
    0.04571324 Germanic:CL57
    0.04598010 Germanic:German:German10

    Distance to: OwenMom
    0.02212645 Insular_Celt:SSG-A4
    0.02254573 Insular_Celt:VK202
    0.02464488 Insular_Celt:VK203
    0.02664995 Insular_Celt:VK201
    0.02704737 Insular_Celt:VK545
    0.02870366 Insular_Celt:6DT23
    0.02985599 Insular_Celt:VK528
    0.03005944 Insular_Celt:VK207
    0.03141114 Insular_Celt:6DT21
    0.03197593 Insular_Celt:M1489
    0.03312884 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish20
    0.03316685 Insular_Celt:6DT3
    0.03337110 Insular_Celt:Irish:Irish23
    0.03423040 Insular_Celt:I0160
    0.03490688 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish11
    0.03592019 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish13
    0.03741323 Insular_Celt:ORE-A1
    0.03746291 Insular_Celt:Scottish:Scottish15
    0.03911125 Scandinavian:I0157
    0.04115228 Gallo-Latin:C_34
    0.04321285 Scandinavian:I0773
    0.04368135 Germanic:German:German10
    0.04443827 Germanic:German:German17
    0.04476081 Scandinavian:VK2020_NOR_South_VA:VK387
    0.04479196 Germanic:German:German73

    My mum really is pure Irish in my mind. That 14% Scottish is something I am really questioning the authenticity of at this point.
    It's just overlap from similar populations it happens constantly, your mom's sample is the most Irish here, which is in agreement with the major studies on the Ulster and Donegal Irish.

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