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    Mizrahi & Separdic Results

    Preview: by what I used to know I am Half Mizrahi (Iraqi Jew) and Half Separdic (Morocco Jew). My Moroccan side have typical surname and my Iraqi Side have a ashkenazi surname and by look they are seems to have euro admixture because they doesnt look (most of them) middle easterns.

    Ftdna are very good for Iraqi Jews most of my Iraqi matchs and I got alot. They score between 95-100% Mizrahi Jews I can say 80% Score 100% Mizrahi Jew.

    My Morocco side score 2-4% Mizrahi Jew/ Middle East 35-50% and depends on the population if ita Iberian so in total less european but around 30-50% European and ofc North African 4-8% .

    As u know Separdic Jews are miggrante from Israel after the destory of the second tample. (Before that They mixed with Greeks&Romans) and immigrante to Spain and then to North Africa and the Balkans include Turkey.

    So every results Northern than Greek Italian and Spanish would be a Foregin admixture. In my case is Magyar but I am not sure ita from my Moroccoan side I guess its from my Mizrahi side . Another thing this Magyar results from all my 300 share origion matchs only 1-2 people with full Jewish ancestry scored Magyar. So I guess it doesnt commen in Jews spesific in Separdic and Mizrahi. Also for Ashkenazis I didnt saw Maygar in the admixture but it wont be a suprise if they will score that. Also by my K36 I score 2-4% Central Euro. Which doesnt exist in Mizrahi and Separdic kits that I have cheaked.

    Maybe its noise I dunno. I got matchs from Hungary spesificly and I saw my full Euro matchs score Magyar so You tell me guys what do u think ?

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    Funnily enough I had some Sephardic Jewish dna in last update and after this update it turns out it was just Iberian, Italian and some levaninte dna. Sephardic Jewish is not really a race is it?
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    Distance: 3.4018% / 0.03401794
    Target: sambar
    31.4 Early_European_Farmer
    22.6 Iberomaurusian
    20.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    11.3 Africa_Mesolithic
    8.2 Iran_Neolithic
    6.3 Steppe_Pastoralist

    Distance: 1.3659% / 0.01365938
    64.2 Berber
    22.2 Southern_Levant
    10.0 WestAfrican_Yoruba
    2.4 Levantine
    0.8 Cushitic
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    I am interested are there people of Levantine or Jewish heritage who score Southern Caucasus category on FTDNA 3.0?
    I have seen a lot of Ashkenazi score it on LivingDNA as main category
    23andme 5.9: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,2% Anatolian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

    Distance: 1.8082% / 0.01808160
    Target: Cyryl_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    85.3 East_Europe
    7.4 Southeast_Europe
    5.0 Sephardic
    2.3 Asia_Minor



    Ancestry: 68,75% Polish minority in Ukraine, 12,5% Northern Russian, 12,5% Alfatar Bulgarian ( + Sephardic ancestry ) , 6,25% Kuban Cossack

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroco View Post
    Funnily enough I had some Sephardic Jewish dna in last update and after this update it turns out it was just Iberian, Italian and some levaninte dna. Sephardic Jewish is not really a race is it?
    It is a race but they overlapping with Levantine and Southern Euro so its hard to tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    I am interested are there people of Levantine or Jewish heritage who score Southern Caucasus category on FTDNA 3.0?
    I have seen a lot of Ashkenazi score it on LivingDNA as main category
    Living dna are very bad they just started 2 years ago. They have to keep their researchs and than maybe we will take them seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanchik View Post
    Living dna are very bad they just started 2 years ago. They have to keep their researchs and than maybe we will take them seriously.
    Agree. Do you have Sephardi matches with Caucasus score?
    23andme 5.9: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,2% Anatolian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

    Distance: 1.8082% / 0.01808160
    Target: Cyryl_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    85.3 East_Europe
    7.4 Southeast_Europe
    5.0 Sephardic
    2.3 Asia_Minor



    Ancestry: 68,75% Polish minority in Ukraine, 12,5% Northern Russian, 12,5% Alfatar Bulgarian ( + Sephardic ancestry ) , 6,25% Kuban Cossack

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Agree. Do you have Sephardi matches with Caucasus score?
    Yes on Ftdna and also at myheritage. But I guess those who score West Asian or Caucasian they are half Turkish Jews not so sure about that. Also according to the history The Balkans and Turkey ofc ruled by the ottomans. But as a half Mizrahi I score 50% South Caucasian on Living dna and Ashkenazi score 40%+/- so I think they mistake levantine with Caucasians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroco View Post
    Funnily enough I had some Sephardic Jewish dna in last update and after this update it turns out it was just Iberian, Italian and some levaninte dna. Sephardic Jewish is not really a race is it?
    Not a race, as they belong to the West-Eurasian/Caucasian one if you like, but if we can accept someone can be genetically Moroccan (non-Jewish) than absolutely we can accept (and we know for a fact) one can be genetically Sephardic. Perhaps among non-Jewish Moroccans there is bigger genetic variation, whereas among Sephardic Jews (including also Moroccan Jews) there is less, but that's not to say they can't be genetically sub-grouped a little, ie Maghrebi or Eastern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanchik View Post
    Yes on Ftdna and also at myheritage. But I guess those who score West Asian or Caucasian they are half Turkish Jews not so sure about that. Also according to the history The Balkans and Turkey ofc ruled by the ottomans. But as a half Mizrahi I score 50% South Caucasian on Living dna and Ashkenazi score 40%+/- so I think they mistake levantine with Caucasians.
    Thanks, majority of my Sephardic matches do not get update, so I want to know average results. My biggest Middle Eastern category is Southern Caucasus and second is Druze, G25 and Gedmatch Vahaduo often want to do me 7% Kurdish Jewish, Mountain Jewish or Iranian Jewish, but it is wrong and I think that problem is most likely related do partial distant ancestry, which commercial tests and other tools can not read very accurate. 23andme and AncestryDNA read partial ancestry more detailed in my opinion , but still can confuse related ethnicities, especially after 5.9 update.
    23andme 5.9: 86,8% Eastern European, 9,1% Greek and Balkan, 0,3% Spanish and Portuguese, 1,2% Anatolian, 0,7% Ashkenazi Jewish, 1,4% Broadly Southern European, 0,5% Broadly European

    Distance: 1.8082% / 0.01808160
    Target: Cyryl_scaled | ADC: 0.25x RC
    85.3 East_Europe
    7.4 Southeast_Europe
    5.0 Sephardic
    2.3 Asia_Minor



    Ancestry: 68,75% Polish minority in Ukraine, 12,5% Northern Russian, 12,5% Alfatar Bulgarian ( + Sephardic ancestry ) , 6,25% Kuban Cossack

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    Target: K_scaled
    Distance: 2.6362% / 0.02636242
    39.6 Early_European_Farmer
    21.2 Iran_Neolithic
    14.6 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    11.2 Steppe_Pastoralist
    7.2 Iberomaurusian
    6.2 Caucasus_Hunter-gatherer


    Target: K_scaled
    Distance: 1.8564% / 0.01856373
    39.6 Early_European_Farmer
    21.4 Steppe_Pastoralist
    17.2 Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    9.2 Iberomaurusian
    6.8 Iran_Neolithic
    5.2 Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    0.6 Proto-CHG_(simulated)

    I ran you on both my models.
    Distance: 3.4018% / 0.03401794
    Target: sambar
    31.4 Early_European_Farmer
    22.6 Iberomaurusian
    20.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
    11.3 Africa_Mesolithic
    8.2 Iran_Neolithic
    6.3 Steppe_Pastoralist

    Distance: 1.3659% / 0.01365938
    64.2 Berber
    22.2 Southern_Levant
    10.0 WestAfrican_Yoruba
    2.4 Levantine
    0.8 Cushitic
    0.4 Basque_Spanish

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