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    These are my paternal great aunt's results:

    Target: FS_pgaunt
    Distance: 0.4820% / 0.00482028
    94.8 Celto-Germanic
    5.2 Germanic

    With regards to my mum's results, I find it more credible that she would would be assigned 17.2% Germanic in this calculator over anyone else in my family. Her 2x great grandmother was possibly Protestant so that could be the reason for her extra Germanic. The reason that I'm unsure about this is because I thought that my aunt had told me that she was Protestant. I said it to her again another time but she said that she didn't think she was but rather that it was either her sisters or daughters who married Protestants. Later I was in touch with a second cousin of my mum and he said that she was Protestant. It's my aunt and the fact that there were Catholics nearby with the Knott surname that makes me doubt it. My mum heard her dad talk about her but never paid much attention. The only thing she can add to it is that Knott does sound like a Protestant name. She was supposed to have been from the Boyle area of Roscommon and there was a landed family living in that area. My mum has a 2nd to 4th cousin DNA match. His 2x great grandmother Knott was recorded as being born in Ireland while he has his 3x great grandfather Knott born in England. Unfortunately, the manager of the tree is his wife who got the information from his aunt and can't give me any more information.

    If my mum's 2x great grandmother (which is quite recent) was of predominantly English ancestry with little mixing with the native Irish, then her Germanic percentage might not be too far off.
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (P) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (UÝ Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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    How would your aunt not know her religion? That is a little strange.

    I think she is lying. Just go down and check out the local Church of Ireland Christening registers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    How would your aunt not know her religion? That is a little strange.

    I think she is lying. Just go down and check out the local Church of Ireland Christening registers.
    Well she didn't know her. I don't have a very high opinion of the woman but she has no reason to lie about it. My 2x great grandmother died in 1881 so there isn't really any reason she should know unless her father (b. 1915) told her and his father told him (b. 1880) and his father (b. 1823) told him. My mum is only guessing that she was Protestant. The lack of records also makes me doubt her religion. The Church of Ireland records in Boyle began in 1796. The first baptism record for a Jane Knott is in 1821 when my ancestor was born about 1801. It is possible that she was born a few years earlier than what is on her death record though. All that I can go on is what other people are saying from passed on information that can become mixed up over the years and it's conflicting.
    Last edited by FionnSneachta; 10-31-2020 at 07:40 PM.
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (P) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (UÝ Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FionnSneachta View Post
    Well she didn't know her. I don't have a very high opinion of the woman but she has no reason to lie about it. My 2x great grandmother died in 1881 so there isn't really any reason she should know unless her father told her. My mum is only guessing that she was Protestant. The lack of records also makes me doubt her religion. The Church of Ireland records in Boyle began in 1796. The first baptism record for a Jane Knott is in 1821 when my ancestor was born about 1801. It is possible that she was born a few years earlier than what is on her death record though. All that I can go on is what other people are saying from passed on information that can become mixed up over the years and it's conflicting.
    Wouldnĺt she have attended church services as a child? It sounds like she was and it was hidden or she wasnĺt christened.

    It is also possible that she was christened in a distant church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    Wouldn’t she have attended church services as a child? It sounds like she was and it was hidden or she wasn’t christened.

    It is also possible that she was christened in a distant church.
    I think that our wires are crossed. When I wrote, "Her [my mum's] 2x great grandmother was possibly Protestant so that could be the reason for her extra Germanic. The reason that I'm unsure about this is because I thought that my aunt had told me that she was Protestant." The she in bold that I'm referring to as being Protestant is my mum and aunt's 2x great grandmother, not my aunt.
    Last edited by FionnSneachta; 10-31-2020 at 07:56 PM.
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (P) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (UÝ Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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    Oh Iĺm sorry. I thought you were talking about your aunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    I built it around the common northwestern-like groups, British, Irish, Icelanders, Bretons, ect. Checked it with the Irish to see where they fall on it. Mostly above 90.. ok. The idea is that the Irish will get 90% Celto-Germ and the real Germanics will get 20% or more Germanic.. Although your results tell me this baseline is 30%.
    The picture is there to show you what I built it around, NW cluster with "two arms" in different directions.
    The results you posted are great, even the one for skves, the one that doesn't fit is Finn Dad. Damn!
    I read very carefully. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I took two Germanics. An old Germanic Hinxton 2, according to Davidski 'straight off the boat' and Finn Dad a modern Germanic.

    The results:


    So for the Irish this will be ok. But for these Germanics it is not accurat: 80% Celto-Germanic and beneath 20% Germanic in these two samples.
    So they are no 'real Germanics' or the model is not ok yet.
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    And mine:


    Target: JMcB
    Distance: 0.2594% / 0.00259418

    43.8 Celto-Germanic
    28.2 Latin
    28.0 Germanic
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Distance: 1.0147% / 0.01014749
    62.4 Celto-Germanic
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    Distance: 0.6665% / 0.00666510
    62.4 Celto-Germanic
    24.2 Latin
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    Ga´a's Haplogroup : G2VR2a1

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