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    About what percent of Yemeni Jewish ancestry is Jewish vs Arabian? I've been reading conflicting numbers.
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    East_Med 44
    West_Med 19.15
    North_Atlantic 15.63
    West_Asian 8.15
    Baltic 4.47
    Red_Sea 4.12
    East_Asian 1.31
    Sub-Saharan 1.23
    South Asian 0.71
    Amerindian 0.59
    Northeast_African 0.37
    Oceanian 0.27

    Father 23andMe 5.9:
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    98.4% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.5% Iranian, Caucasian, Mesopotamian
    0.5% Levantine
    0.2% Coptic Egyptian
    0.2% Sudanese
    0.2% Ethiopian & Eritrean

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    Good question. As usual, depends on what you pick as a proxy for Jewish and what you pick as a proxy for Arabian. That aside, there will certainly be regional variation. One thing is clear right now - they cannot be fully Arabian or fully Israelite.
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    Other potential and/or likely recent lineages: R-A11720, J-FGC21085, E-FGC56023

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillWater View Post
    Good question. As usual, depends on what you pick as a proxy for Jewish and what you pick as a proxy for Arabian. That aside, there will certainly be regional variation. One thing is clear right now - they cannot be fully Arabian or fully Israelite.
    I mean approximately, is it fair to say that they have close to the amount of Jewish as most Ashkenazim and Sephardim or would that be a stretch?
    23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 44
    West_Med 19.15
    North_Atlantic 15.63
    West_Asian 8.15
    Baltic 4.47
    Red_Sea 4.12
    East_Asian 1.31
    Sub-Saharan 1.23
    South Asian 0.71
    Amerindian 0.59
    Northeast_African 0.37
    Oceanian 0.27

    Father 23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Mother 23andMe 5.9:
    98.4% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.5% Iranian, Caucasian, Mesopotamian
    0.5% Levantine
    0.2% Coptic Egyptian
    0.2% Sudanese
    0.2% Ethiopian & Eritrean

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    I thought itís all the same thing. I can model myself with a Jewish or Arab proxy

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    Yemeni Jews are more Arabian, than Jewish, because they admixed with locals and have small Jewish genetic.

    There are results of Yemenite Jew with non-Jewish Yemen samples and Jewish populations on G25

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 1.3008% / 0.01300757
    48.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    43.0 Yemenite_Ma'rib
    6.4 Samaritan
    1.8 Yemenite_Mahra
    0.8 Yemenite_Al_Bayda


    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 1.3080% / 0.01307964
    47.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    44.8 Yemenite_Ma'rib
    4.6 Syrian_Jew
    3.6 Yemenite_Mahra

    As you can see 90%+ of their genetic is non-Jewish
    Last edited by CyrylBojarski; 11-01-2020 at 06:18 PM.

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    Yemeni Jews are probably the purest Yemenis on G25 after the Mehris

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkotl0327 View Post
    I mean approximately, is it fair to say that they have close to the amount of Jewish as most Ashkenazim and Sephardim or would that be a stretch?
    Stretch, with the possible exception of Adenim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maroco View Post
    I thought it’s all the same thing. I can model myself with a Jewish or Arab proxy
    What is all the same thing?
    23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 44
    West_Med 19.15
    North_Atlantic 15.63
    West_Asian 8.15
    Baltic 4.47
    Red_Sea 4.12
    East_Asian 1.31
    Sub-Saharan 1.23
    South Asian 0.71
    Amerindian 0.59
    Northeast_African 0.37
    Oceanian 0.27

    Father 23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

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    98.4% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.5% Iranian, Caucasian, Mesopotamian
    0.5% Levantine
    0.2% Coptic Egyptian
    0.2% Sudanese
    0.2% Ethiopian & Eritrean

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    Yemeni Jews are probably the purest Yemenis on G25 after the Mehris
    That doesn't seem realistic based on uniparentals.
    23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 44
    West_Med 19.15
    North_Atlantic 15.63
    West_Asian 8.15
    Baltic 4.47
    Red_Sea 4.12
    East_Asian 1.31
    Sub-Saharan 1.23
    South Asian 0.71
    Amerindian 0.59
    Northeast_African 0.37
    Oceanian 0.27

    Father 23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Mother 23andMe 5.9:
    98.4% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.5% Iranian, Caucasian, Mesopotamian
    0.5% Levantine
    0.2% Coptic Egyptian
    0.2% Sudanese
    0.2% Ethiopian & Eritrean

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyrylBojarski View Post
    Yemeni Jews are more Arabian, than Jewish, because they admixed with locals and have small Jewish genetic.

    There are results of Yemenite Jew with non-Jewish Yemen samples and Jewish populations on G25

    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 1.3008% / 0.01300757
    48.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    43.0 Yemenite_Ma'rib
    6.4 Samaritan
    1.8 Yemenite_Mahra
    0.8 Yemenite_Al_Bayda


    Target: Yemenite_Jew
    Distance: 1.3080% / 0.01307964
    47.0 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
    44.8 Yemenite_Ma'rib
    4.6 Syrian_Jew
    3.6 Yemenite_Mahra

    As you can see 90%+ of their genetic is non-Jewish
    I expected a large amount of Yemeni ancestry but certainly not that much. That result doesn't seem to correspond with their haplogroups. I've read various theories, but never something that said they were >90% Arabian.
    23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Eurogenes K13:
    East_Med 44
    West_Med 19.15
    North_Atlantic 15.63
    West_Asian 8.15
    Baltic 4.47
    Red_Sea 4.12
    East_Asian 1.31
    Sub-Saharan 1.23
    South Asian 0.71
    Amerindian 0.59
    Northeast_African 0.37
    Oceanian 0.27

    Father 23andMe 5.9:
    100% Ashkenazi Jewish

    Mother 23andMe 5.9:
    98.4% Ashkenazi Jewish
    0.5% Iranian, Caucasian, Mesopotamian
    0.5% Levantine
    0.2% Coptic Egyptian
    0.2% Sudanese
    0.2% Ethiopian & Eritrean

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