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    Red face British and Irish folk - G25 coordinates and regional ancestry

    I’m intrigued by what other predominantly British and Irish people got! Please estimate your regional ancestry if possible.

    I’m from London or near enough. I have not found all my 3rd great grandparents, but I’ve tried to give percentages to estimate how much of me is from each county:

    County Mayo, Ireland - 25%
    Essex, England - 25%
    London, England - 15.625%
    Hampshire, England - 12.5%
    Lancashire, England - 9.375%
    Devon, England - 6.25%
    Suffolk, England - 3.125%
    County Cavan, Ireland - 3.125%

    Here are my 23andme results:

    23andme V5.9: 97.3% British and Irish, 2.3% Spanish and Portuguese, 0.2% Broadly Southern European, 0.2% Unassigned
    (Note: I may not be 100% British and Irish!)

    Here are my G25 coordinates:

    lana6765_scaled,0.133173,0.129988,0.069767,0.05135 7,0.039392,0.012271,0.000235,0.008307,0.004704,0.0 05467,-0.012179,0.007643,-0.011744,-0.006606,0.019137,0.004906,-0.007823,-0.000887,-0.006788,0.00075,0.012353,-0.000866,0.000739,0.018798,-0.002994

    lana6765,0.0117,0.0128,0.0185,0.0159,0.0128,0.0044 ,0.0001,0.0036,0.0023,0.003,-0.0075,0.0051,-0.0079,-0.0048,0.0141,0.0037,-0.006,-0.0007,-0.0054,0.0006,0.0099,-0.0007,0.0006,0.0156,-0.0025

    I had a play around with population averages on Vahaduo, and it seems like I’m a Celtic-Scandinavian-Western Mediterranean-mishmash!

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    Last edited by lana6765; 11-03-2020 at 10:19 AM.

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    Father (Co. Offaly, Ireland)

    Code:
    Target: MolfishDad_scaled
    Distance: 2.1930% / 0.02193012
    61.0	Orcadian
    33.6	Icelandic
    3.8	Lithuanian_PZ
    1.4	Spanish_Pais_Vasco
    0.2	Biaka
    
    Target: MolfishDad_scaled
    Distance: 2.2042% / 0.02204163 | ADC: 0.25x
    64.8	Orcadian
    33.2	Icelandic
    2.0	Lithuanian_PZ
    
    
    Distance to:	MolfishDad_scaled
    0.02309102	Orcadian
    0.02408025	Icelandic
    0.02433498	Scottish
    0.02571521	Irish
    0.02731585	English_Cornwall
    0.02732138	English
    0.02777504	Danish
    0.02929440	Welsh
    0.02977876	Shetlandic
    0.03036280	Dutch
    0.03200460	Norwegian
    0.03236241	Swedish
    0.03381089	French_Brittany
    0.03827258	German
    0.04038099	Afrikaner
    0.04068452	German_East
    0.04507231	Belgian
    0.04534435	French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04829674	French_Nord
    0.04995815	French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.05045440	Czech
    0.05095683	French_Alsace
    0.05112569	Austrian
    0.05237664	French_Paris
    0.05365251	Swiss_German
    Mother (Staffordshire, England)
    Code:
    Target: MolfishMum_scaled
    Distance: 1.5412% / 0.01541166
    47.8	Welsh
    34.6	Norwegian
    6.2	Spanish_Soria
    5.8	Slovakian
    3.4	Cossack_Kuban
    2.2	Darginian
    
    Target: MolfishMum_scaled
    Distance: 1.5629% / 0.01562948 | ADC: 0.25x
    56.8	Welsh
    30.6	Norwegian
    7.2	Slovakian
    2.8	Spanish_Soria
    1.4	Cossack_Kuban
    1.2	Darginian
    
    Distance to:	MolfishMum_scaled
    0.01886201	Welsh
    0.02002575	Dutch
    0.02105966	Scottish
    0.02114182	English
    0.02167288	Orcadian
    0.02183018	Norwegian
    0.02203865	Irish
    0.02218829	Shetlandic
    0.02288413	French_Brittany
    0.02406696	English_Cornwall
    0.02451632	German
    0.02504237	Icelandic
    0.02747338	Swedish
    0.02817213	Danish
    0.02953259	Afrikaner
    0.03180125	Belgian
    0.03353733	French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03544758	French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03566017	French_Nord
    0.03765100	Austrian
    0.03848379	French_Paris
    0.03877706	French_Alsace
    0.03968895	German_East
    0.04066228	Swiss_German
    0.04332311	Czech
    Me
    Code:
    Target: Molfish_scaled
    Distance: 1.7022% / 0.01702151
    77.8	Orcadian
    13.4	Icelandic
    8.6	English_Cornwall
    0.2	Luo
    
    
    Target: Molfish_scaled
    Distance: 1.7112% / 0.01711229 | ADC: 0.25x
    85.6	Orcadian
    9.0	Icelandic
    5.4	English_Cornwall
    
    Distance to:	Molfish_scaled
    0.01721798	Orcadian
    0.01847653	Scottish
    0.01967844	Irish
    0.02087370	English
    0.02090097	English_Cornwall
    0.02218451	Icelandic
    0.02279147	Welsh
    0.02385523	Shetlandic
    0.02385536	Dutch
    0.02661904	Danish
    0.02685711	French_Brittany
    0.02758923	Norwegian
    0.03035571	Swedish
    0.03378111	German
    0.03515967	Afrikaner
    0.03846818	Belgian
    0.04137301	French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04150325	German_East
    0.04256961	French_Nord
    0.04289187	French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04510575	French_Paris
    0.04544095	French_Alsace
    0.04773904	Austrian
    0.04789676	Swiss_German
    0.05116708	Czech

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    50% Tipperary, 50% mix Roscommon/Sligo

    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.6973% / 0.01697250
    50.0 Irish
    42.6 Icelandic
    6.0 Swedish
    0.8 Lak
    0.6 Basque_Spanish

    Distance to: Jessie_scaled
    0.01875615 Irish
    0.01914452 Icelandic
    0.01963632 Scottish
    0.01980300 Orcadian
    0.02206228 English
    0.02219810 Welsh
    0.02336456 Norwegian
    0.02454052 English_Cornwall
    0.02458960 Dutch
    0.02493577 Shetlandic
    0.02530066 Danish
    0.02678893 Swedish
    0.02758167 French_Brittany
    0.03333011 German
    0.03777837 Afrikaner
    0.04070340 Belgian
    0.04111373 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04124589 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04377645 German_East
    0.04383614 French_Nord
    0.04754192 Austrian
    0.04759052 French_Alsace
    0.04761548 French_Paris
    0.04816810 Czech
    0.05029695 Swiss_German

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    modern_pop_averages_scaled

    I can't remember what I used to create the screenshot above, so I'm just posting my modern_pop_averages_scaled estimates.

    Target: lana6765_scaled
    Distance: 1.7528% / 0.01752783
    52.0 Icelandic
    18.8 Norwegian
    15.2 Irish
    6.2 Basque_French
    3.2 Spanish_Asturias
    2.8 Cossack_Kuban
    0.8 Spanish_Soria
    0.4 Papuan
    0.4 Sakha
    0.2 Aymara


    Distance to: lana6765_scaled
    0.02166400 Icelandic
    0.02185645 Scottish
    0.02190557 Irish
    0.02194350 Norwegian
    0.02226499 Orcadian
    0.02268846 Dutch
    0.02349366 English
    0.02482964 Welsh
    0.02508333 English_Cornwall
    0.02578263 Shetlandic
    0.02683129 Swedish
    0.02703946 French_Brittany
    0.02758101 Danish
    0.03186577 German
    0.03458437 Afrikaner
    0.03805311 Belgian
    0.03884742 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04212239 French_Nord
    0.04236650 German_East
    0.04255824 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04401869 French_Paris
    0.04445230 Austrian
    0.04476219 French_Alsace
    0.04732477 Czech
    0.04879745 Swiss_German

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    Quote Originally Posted by lana6765 View Post
    modern_pop_averages_scaled

    I can't remember what I used to create the screenshot above, so I'm just posting my modern_pop_averages_scaled estimates.

    Target: lana6765_scaled
    Distance: 1.7528% / 0.01752783
    52.0 Icelandic
    18.8 Norwegian
    15.2 Irish
    6.2 Basque_French
    3.2 Spanish_Asturias
    2.8 Cossack_Kuban
    0.8 Spanish_Soria
    0.4 Papuan
    0.4 Sakha
    0.2 Aymara


    Distance to: lana6765_scaled
    0.02166400 Icelandic
    0.02185645 Scottish
    0.02190557 Irish
    0.02194350 Norwegian
    0.02226499 Orcadian
    0.02268846 Dutch
    0.02349366 English
    0.02482964 Welsh
    0.02508333 English_Cornwall
    0.02578263 Shetlandic
    0.02683129 Swedish
    0.02703946 French_Brittany
    0.02758101 Danish
    0.03186577 German
    0.03458437 Afrikaner
    0.03805311 Belgian
    0.03884742 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04212239 French_Nord
    0.04236650 German_East
    0.04255824 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04401869 French_Paris
    0.04445230 Austrian
    0.04476219 French_Alsace
    0.04732477 Czech
    0.04879745 Swiss_German
    Could you post your Eurogenes K13/K15 results? (with the score for each component)
    Last edited by Molfish; 11-03-2020 at 11:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molfish View Post
    Could you post your Eurogenes K13/K15 results? (with the score for each component)
    Of course! This was using my AncestryDNA kit, but I got similar scores using my 23andme kit.

    K13:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 51.04
    2 Baltic 23.63
    3 West_Med 14.65
    4 West_Asian 7.64
    5 Siberian 1.84
    6 South_Asian 0.51
    7 Amerindian 0.44
    8 Oceanian 0.18
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.08

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Evens @ 3.08
    2 98% Irish + 2% Yakut @ 3.08
    3 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Evenki @ 3.08

    K15:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 37.97
    2 Atlantic 27.63
    3 Eastern_Euro 9.59
    4 Baltic 9.54
    5 West_Med 9.02
    6 West_Asian 4.63
    7 Siberian 1.32
    8 Amerindian 0.23
    9 South_Asian 0.06

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 84.9% Orcadian + 15.1% East_German @ 2.29
    2 93.2% Orcadian + 6.8% Tatar @ 2.42
    3 91.4% Orcadian + 8.6% Moldavian @ 2.42

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    Quote Originally Posted by lana6765 View Post
    Of course! This was using my AncestryDNA kit, but I got similar scores using my 23andme kit.

    K13:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 51.04
    2 Baltic 23.63
    3 West_Med 14.65
    4 West_Asian 7.64
    5 Siberian 1.84
    6 South_Asian 0.51
    7 Amerindian 0.44
    8 Oceanian 0.18
    9 Sub-Saharan 0.08

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Evens @ 3.08
    2 98% Irish + 2% Yakut @ 3.08
    3 98.1% Irish + 1.9% Evenki @ 3.08

    K15:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 37.97
    2 Atlantic 27.63
    3 Eastern_Euro 9.59
    4 Baltic 9.54
    5 West_Med 9.02
    6 West_Asian 4.63
    7 Siberian 1.32
    8 Amerindian 0.23
    9 South_Asian 0.06

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 84.9% Orcadian + 15.1% East_German @ 2.29
    2 93.2% Orcadian + 6.8% Tatar @ 2.42
    3 91.4% Orcadian + 8.6% Moldavian @ 2.42
    With updated British Isles averages:

    K13

    Distance to: lana6765
    3.08397471 Welsh
    3.12490000 Ulster_British
    3.89073258 Irish_Munster
    3.91596731 Irish_Connacht
    3.97537420 Irish_Ulster
    4.19306570 English_Yorkshire
    4.21551895 Scottish
    4.38349176 Orcadian
    4.48452896 English_North
    4.51056537 English_Lancashire
    4.54227916 West_Scottish
    4.76553250 Southwest_English
    4.85863149 English_West_Country
    4.91822122 English
    5.12105458 English_East_Midlands
    5.26211934 English_Midlands
    5.31194879 English_West_Midlands
    5.39000928 English_Southeast
    6.07340102 FRA_Armorica
    6.44367131 Dutch_Central
    6.49716092 Dutch
    6.52203956 Dutch_North
    7.51115171 Norwegian
    7.73603257 Denmark
    8.25081208 Norway_South_Central

    Target: lana6765
    Distance: 1.8872% / 1.88718666 | ADC: 0.25x
    65.6 Welsh
    30.2 Irish_Connacht
    2.8 North-Swedish
    1.4 Selkup

    Target: lana6765
    Distance: 1.8625% / 1.86254886
    64.0 Welsh
    31.4 Irish_Connacht
    2.2 North-Swedish
    1.6 Selkup
    0.6 Estonian
    0.2 Dargin

    K15

    Distance to: lana6765
    2.17207274 Ulster_British
    2.69647919 English_Yorkshire
    2.72207641 English_North
    2.77838082 Welsh
    2.95096594 Scotland
    2.95465734 English_West_Midlands
    3.11475521 English
    3.16139210 English_Midlands
    3.17145077 English_East_Midlands
    3.50141400 Irish_Munster
    3.60359543 English_Southeast
    3.64672456 English_Lancashire
    3.74813287 Orcadian
    3.80423448 Irish_Connacht
    3.87850487 English_West_Country
    3.99737414 Dutch_Central
    4.05151823 Dutch
    4.44481721 Irish_Ulster
    4.55714823 West_Scottish
    4.81084192 Southwest_English
    4.88404545 Dutch_North
    5.12670459 Irish
    5.77382889 FRA_Armorica
    6.03291803 Danish
    6.63019608 Dutch_South

    Target: lana6765
    Distance: 1.4874% / 1.48741711 | ADC: 0.25x
    72.2 Ulster_British
    17.8 English_East_Midlands
    9.0 West_Norwegian
    0.6 Selkup
    0.4 Evenki

    Target: lana6765
    Distance: 1.4575% / 1.45751093
    69.8 Ulster_British
    18.2 English_East_Midlands
    10.8 West_Norwegian
    0.6 Evens
    0.6 Selkup

    You are sort of between the English and Irish clusters.
    Last edited by Molfish; 11-03-2020 at 02:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molfish View Post
    Target: lana6765
    Distance: 1.8872% / 1.88718666 | ADC: 0.25x
    65.6 Welsh
    30.2 Irish_Connacht
    2.8 North-Swedish
    1.4 Selkup

    Target: lana6765
    Distance: 1.8625% / 1.86254886
    64.0 Welsh
    31.4 Irish_Connacht
    2.2 North-Swedish
    1.6 Selkup
    0.6 Estonian
    0.2 Dargin
    30% Connacht seems about right! I’m pleased there’s a provincial breakdown for Ireland! I don’t know any ancestors who lived in Wales, but there’s definitely a North West and South West influence.

    I keep getting some trace ‘Asian’ but not a clue where it’s from. It may not even be Asian but some other European. I even tried Wegene and got a probably nonsensical 0.29% Korean.
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    Ancestry;

    60% Ulster Irish
    40% Ulster Scots

    Modern Population Averages Scaled:

    Target: Owen_scaled
    Distance: 1.9256% / 0.01925559
    56.6 Irish
    39.0 Norwegian
    2.2 Spanish_Soria
    1.4 Jatt_Pathak
    0.8 Avar

    Distance to: Owen_scaled
    0.02081277 Irish
    0.02281381 Norwegian
    0.02363547 Scottish
    0.02504533 Welsh
    0.02550367 Shetlandic
    0.02601720 Orcadian
    0.02625246 English
    0.02645443 Icelandic
    0.02738812 Dutch
    0.02782649 French_Brittany
    0.02814307 English_Cornwall
    0.03330602 Danish
    0.03518472 Swedish
    0.03727431 Afrikaner
    0.03791534 German
    0.04007633 Belgian
    0.04061056 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.04284565 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.04533741 French_Nord
    0.04623875 French_Paris
    0.04892978 French_Alsace
    0.05071276 Austrian
    0.05139778 Swiss_German
    0.05197493 German_East
    0.05426815 Czech
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    Quote Originally Posted by lana6765 View Post
    30% Connacht seems about right! I’m pleased there’s a provincial breakdown for Ireland! I don’t know any ancestors who lived in Wales, but there’s definitely a North West and South West influence.

    I keep getting some trace ‘Asian’ but not a clue where it’s from. It may not even be Asian but some other European. I even tried Wegene and got a probably nonsensical 0.29% Korean.
    Your results look pretty standard British Isles to me, I wouldn't guess any foreign ancestry based on them, which is not to say you don't have any. Calculators can pull up wacky results, especially when the references are limited, as they are for the modern averages in Global25.
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