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Thread: British and Irish folk - G25 coordinates and regional ancestry

  1. #11
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    It's interesting how some of us have got Icelandic and Norwegian among our top populations.

    Is this a Viking influence in certain areas, or does this happen with a lot of Brits and Irish i.e. are we very similar?
    Last edited by lana6765; 11-03-2020 at 06:52 PM.

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  3. #12
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    Icelandic is a proxy for Irish.

  4. #13
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    England Ireland Connacht East Anglia England North of England United Kingdom Ireland
    Global25_PCA_pop_averages_scaled

    Target: lana6765_scaled
    Distance: 1.7392% / 0.01739211
    22.0 Wales_CA_EBA
    18.8 VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA
    10.6 Bell_Beaker_England_EBA
    10.4 VK2020_NOR_Mid_VA
    7.2 VK2020_DNK_Jutland_IA
    6.2 UKR_Srubnaya_MLBA
    6.0 VK2020_NOR_North_IA
    5.2 UKR_N_o
    4.8 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
    4.2 Iberia_Central_CA
    1.8 DEU_Karsdorf_LN
    1.6 CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany
    1.0 RUS_Yana_MA
    0.2 RUS_Boisman_MN

    VK means Viking?

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  6. #14
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    Y-DNA (P)
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    H6a1b2h
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    H27e

    Ireland Ireland Connacht Ireland County Roscommon Ireland County Galway Ireland County Mayo
    G25 Modern Averages Scaled
    Me (≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Target: FionnS_scaled
    Distance: 2.7655% / 0.02765505
    46.0 Icelandic
    39.8 Shetlandic
    10.4 Irish
    3.8 Orcadian

    0.02926099 Icelandic
    0.02951073 Irish
    0.02954311 Shetlandic
    0.02992991 Orcadian
    0.03009364 Scottish

    Dad (≅ 75% Roscommon, 25% Galway)
    Target: FS_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.8824% / 0.01882405
    64.0 Irish
    32.0 Norwegian
    1.8 Basque_Spanish
    1.2 Quechua
    1.0 Shetlandic

    Distance to: FS_dad_scaled
    0.02135445 Irish
    0.02288104 Norwegian
    0.02324721 Scottish
    0.02365308 Orcadian
    0.02390372 Shetlandic

    Mum ((≅ 87.5% Roscommon, 12.5% Mayo)
    Target: FS_mum_scaled
    Distance: 1.5728% / 0.01572821
    53.0 Shetlandic
    26.6 Norwegian
    17.8 Irish
    2.6 Latvian

    Distance to: FS_mum_scaled
    0.01704960 Shetlandic
    0.01890538 Norwegian
    0.02005262 Irish
    0.02101017 Scottish
    0.02171773 Icelandic

    Paternal Great Aunt ((≅ 100% Roscommon)
    Target: FS_pgaunt_scaled
    Distance: 1.3104% / 0.01310423
    54.2 Norwegian
    36.0 Irish
    3.6 Spanish_Soria
    3.4 Shetlandic
    1.2 Basque_Spanish
    1.0 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
    0.6 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour

    Distance to: FS_pgaunt_scaled
    0.01656065 Irish
    0.01762716 Norwegian
    0.01822119 Scottish
    0.01856397 Shetlandic
    0.01918592 Welsh
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (P) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (Uí Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA Great grandfather: Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)
    Y-DNA 2x great grandfather: Higgins b. c1816 in Co. Roscommon (R-DF109)
    Y-DNA 3x great grandfather: Fleming b. c1829 in Co. Roscommon (R-Z23534)

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  8. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    Icelandic is a proxy for Irish.
    I wouldn't say its a proxy for Irish. Icelanders have Gaelic and Scandinavian influence so there are similarities but they aren't the same. I think it might be a good idea to remove some of the smaller islander populations like Icelandic and Shetland etc. If I remove Icelandic this is my result on G25.

    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.7351% / 0.01735099
    74.2 Irish
    25.8 Swedish

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  10. #16
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    No change.

    Target: Owen_scaled
    Distance: 1.9256% / 0.01925559
    56.6 Irish
    39.0 Norwegian
    2.2 Spanish_Soria
    1.4 Jatt_Pathak
    0.8 Avar

    Target: OwenMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.8156% / 0.01815616
    95.8 Irish
    3.8 Norwegian
    0.4 Mbuti

  11. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    I wouldn't say its a proxy for Irish. Icelanders have Gaelic and Scandinavian influence so there are similarities but they aren't the same. I think it might be a good idea to remove some of the smaller islander populations like Icelandic and Shetland etc. If I remove Icelandic this is my result on G25.

    Target: Jessie_scaled
    Distance: 1.7351% / 0.01735099
    74.2 Irish
    25.8 Swedish
    Removed Orcadian, Shetlandic, Icelandic and New Guinea.


    Target: lana6765_scaled
    Distance: 1.8263% / 0.01826276
    43.0 Irish
    25.6 Norwegian
    20.2 Swedish
    6.2 Basque_French
    2.4 Cossack_Kuban
    1.8 Spanish_Asturias
    0.4 Sakha
    0.2 Australian
    0.2 Bolivian_Cochabamba
    Last edited by lana6765; 11-03-2020 at 09:10 PM.

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  13. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nqp15hhu View Post
    No change.

    Target: Owen_scaled
    Distance: 1.9256% / 0.01925559
    56.6 Irish
    39.0 Norwegian
    2.2 Spanish_Soria
    1.4 Jatt_Pathak
    0.8 Avar

    Target: OwenMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.8156% / 0.01815616
    95.8 Irish
    3.8 Norwegian
    0.4 Mbuti
    That was only if you originally get Icelandic in your result or Orcadian, Shetlandic etc. That is because they are sink populations rather than source populations. If you didn't get these populations removing them will not change your results. This was originally pointed out to me by Evon (i.e. that these small islander populations can skew people's results) and it of course makes perfect sense.
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  15. #19
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    Hi Lana 6765

    Welcome to the forum! My origins are not too dissimilar to yourself, with a dollop of Celtic nations (Welsh ~20% so far possibly more) , with the main serving made up by Southern England (Devon ~9%, Cornwal ~ 2%, Kent/Sussex 25% , 45% NW Lnndon/Chilterns/Cotswolds) and a sprinkling of exotic Lincolnshire (~4%)

    Although are results are hardly identical, I am also a Scandinavian-Mediterranean-Celtic Mish-mash

    Target: Greg_scaled (Removed Iceland)
    Distance: 2.5817% / 0.02581740
    61.4 Norwegian
    21.6 Spanish_Soria
    10.2 Irish
    5.2 Cossack_Kuban
    1.2 Kubachinian
    0.4 Karitiana

    0.03106043 Welsh
    0.03149041 Norwegian
    0.03175462 French_Brittany
    0.03219947 English
    0.03236801 Irish
    0.03320735 Dutch
    0.03345495 Scottish
    0.03462338 English_Cornwall
    0.03477930 Orcadian
    0.03551023 Icelandic
    0.03560858 Shetlandic
    0.03565650 German
    0.03648626 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03837130 Danish

    My Brothers in the same ballpark as well, minus the Celtic though

    Target: JDG_scaled
    Distance: 2.4950% / 0.02494971
    70.6 Norwegian
    18.4 Spanish_Soria
    8.0 Cossack_Kuban
    2.4 Kubachinian
    0.6 Papuan

    So your not alone! But I would echo Mollfish and say you look very British/Irish, considerably more so than I, if one takes our relative 23&me v5.9 results into consideration!

    Have you posted your latest Ancestry results anywhere on the forum yet.
    Last edited by jadegreg; 11-04-2020 at 12:27 PM.

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    1/2 East Anglia 1/2 Northern England

    Target: Seabass_Dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.8538% / 0.01853845
    73.0 Welsh
    13.6 Irish
    9.4 Icelandic
    2.4 Spanish_Soria
    1.2 Basque_Spanish
    0.4 Mlabri

    Distance to: Seabass_Dad_scaled
    0.01888837 Welsh
    0.02138644 Irish
    0.02188083 Scottish
    0.02206610 English_Cornwall
    0.02219345 English
    0.02281438 Orcadian
    0.02364109 French_Brittany
    0.02442439 Dutch
    0.02629852 Shetlandic
    0.02723085 Icelandic
    0.02731170 Norwegian
    0.02811145 Danish
    0.03219657 German
    0.03286488 Afrikaner
    0.03384964 Swedish
    0.03410858 Belgian
    0.03512489 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03601067 French_Seine-Maritime
    0.03805965 French_Nord
    0.03896786 French_Paris
    0.04153308 French_Alsace
    0.04349542 Swiss_German
    0.04552039 Austrian
    0.04719338 German_East
    0.04924948 French_Occitanie


    With ancients.


    Target: Seabass_Dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.4119% / 0.01411929
    51.4 England_Saxon
    11.0 Iberia_Menorca_LBA
    9.2 Scotland_LBA
    9.0 CZE_Starounetice_EBA
    7.2 VK2020_Wales_Anglesey_VA
    3.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
    3.4 VK2020_GreenlandW_VA
    2.6 Wales_CA_EBA
    1.4 Wales_Meso
    1.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA_o
    0.2 Bell_Beaker_England_EBA


    Distance to: Seabass_Dad_scaled
    0.02198579 England_Roman
    0.02284077 VK2020_ISL_Hofstadir_VA
    0.02379520 Scotland_LBA
    0.02409594 England_Saxon
    0.02424977 VK2020_England_Dorset_VA
    0.02493212 VK2020_DNK_Jutland_VA
    0.02495391 VK2020_NOR_Mid_MA
    0.02497341 Bell_Beaker_Mittelelbe-Saale
    0.02500653 VK2020_Faroes_EM
    0.02512771 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_VA
    0.02516297 VK2020_Scotland_Orkney_VA
    0.02531736 VK2020_England_Oxford_VA
    0.02535253 England_IA
    0.02687369 Scotland_MBA
    0.02687381 VK2020_DNK_Funen_VA
    0.02688188 England_MBA
    0.02847998 VK2020_IRL_Dublin_VA
    0.02849822 VK2020_GreenlandE_VA
    0.02865738 Bell_Beaker_FRA_C
    0.02865769 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA
    0.02880645 VK2020_SWE_Skara_VA
    0.02880703 SWE_Ollsjo_BA
    0.02914682 VK2020_NOR_North_VA
    0.02915647 VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA
    0.02948490 Bell_Beaker_CZE
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